I have produced documented results other than topics on this Forums. Look after critiquing no new Madagascar CITES quota species after no new species for 17 years. There are new quota species now. Back off!! There are always some naysayers
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Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
Just curious. Are you saying you should be credited and are the one to thank for the new Madagascan quota species we've had available as of late?
Not totally. I am saying with my thread and that it is found on Google Search for CITES quotas. Then after two years of me posting my own opinion alone and no replies with my degree/major at the time, UC Davis being the top Agriculture school in the nation and my experience with chameleons someone with CITES or someone connected here with CITES was listening. Whomever figured I had a good point/good idea to add some new Madagascar quota species after none for 17 years. Started 2010 and first response was 2012 and first new quota species was 2012
Furcifer campani. Why not have a look?
https://www.chameleonforums.com/if-there-were-new-cites-species-quotas-40252/
Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
This is hysterical. Every time I think you can't post anything nuttier, you surprise even me, Jeremy! When you claimed you were an experienced
C. parsonii breeder because you provided feeders a couple times to a guy that hatched one, I thought I had heard it all, but this one is right up there. I'm not sure why I should be surprised given how many times you've publicly and privately tried to claim I steal your ideas to advance my own career, but this one is just too much!
Chris
EDIT: Hahaha, just realized this is an April fools joke. Good one, Jeremy! You got me, thats for sure!
I am only nuttie to you as I have a degree in a department (Agriculture) that you have no experience with, no answers for, and in general no clue about. These idea's I have talked to Professors here at UC Davis about, one of the top Agriculture schools in the world, and they think there is nothing nuttie about my idea's. My family and I have had been apart of pioneering big ideas before (my families company is one of the Pioneers of Premium Extra Virgin Olive Oil Industry in the USA, my Father is a Founding Member of the California Olive Oil Council, we have devloped a golf course and more) this is not the first good idea we have had.
I as far as Parsonii breeding and your ego I never brought that up. I was talking about the new quotas species. I was not making any mention of you.
Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
Jeremy,
Actually I too attended a top agriculture school and in the course of pursuing an agriculturally focused major also took numerous specialized conservation and management courses. It may not have taken me 6 years to do it, but as it turns out, I too am quite familiar with the topics at hand. One of the first things I learned, however, is that effective conservation strategies are rarely as simplistic as you seem to think, and that failure to appropriately account for local history, resource needs, and economic demands is a sure fire way to fail. Establishing effective international conservation and management programs in the developing world is very different from pioneering an olive oil industry or performing the manual labor behind pre-established conservation action plans in the developed world.
Now, since your previous comments appear to not have been a hilarious April Fool’s joke, its time we bring everyone back from La La Land and enjoy reality for a while. So, lets stop with the talking out our @$$ end, stop with the making stuff up without having done any semblance of background research, and start working with some information that is backed up by documented references and facts for a bit. You’ll probably learn something.
Now we all know that people have been hoping for the 1995 trade suspension to be lifted since it occurred. The fact that it didn’t happen for 17 years is not because efforts were not being made, and it certainly had nothing to do with waiting for you to come along and ramble on to yourself for two years. In fact, CITES was quite explicit about what they required of Madagascar in order for the suspension to be lifted, it just took a long time for those conditions to be met to their satisfaction. Specifically, after a number of species went through a Review of Significant Trade, the suspension occurred because the Malagasy Management Authority failed to satisfactorily respond to five recommendations made by CITES aimed at confirming that trade levels were being maintained at a non-detrimental level in accordance with
Article IV of CITES. The suspension was put in place until such as time as the Malagasy Management Authority could satisfactorily show that trade would be maintained at non-detrimental levels.
In response to the CITES actions, the Experimental Management Program (EMP) was established in 1999 in an attempt to fulfill the requirements. The EMP established a test management system in which limited quotas were established for the four
Furcifer species for which trade had not been suspended, in the hopes of showing that an effective management system was in place. Unfortunately by 2001/2002, the EMP dissipated, but the quotas stuck.
In 2001 a country-wide Review of Significant Trade was started for Madagascar, which ultimately resulted in an action plan to reform Madagascar’s wildlife export trade, which was adopted in 2003. Since then, the implementation of this action plan has been in process. Included in this action plan was the development of a transparent quota-setting methodology and the collection of data necessary to evaluate the population levels of different species. As a result, in 2008 the Animals Committee of CITES decided the country-wide Review of Significant Trade could end.
As a result of this framework, in 2009 the Animals Committee reviewed all species on a case-by-case basis and determined that paragraphs 2(a) and 3 of Article IV of CITES were still not being complied with for
Calumma amber, C. capuroni, C. cucullatum, C. furcifer, C. guibei, C. hafahafa, C. hilleniusi, C. jejy, C. linotum, C. peltierorum, C. peyrierasi, C. tsaratananense, C. tsycorne, C. vatosoa, Furcifer angeli, F. balteatus, F. belalandaensis, F. labordi, F. nicosiai and
F. tuzetae. They determined, however, that pending the completion of six steps, these paragraphs would be complied with for
Calumma andringitraense, C. boettgeri, C. brevicorne, C. crypticum, C. fallax, C. gallus, C. gastrotaenia, C. glawi, C. globifer, C. guillaumeti, C. malthe, C. marojezense, C. nasutum, C. oshaughnessyi, C. parsonii, C. vencesi, Furcifer antimena, F. bifidus, F. campani, F. minor, F. petteri, F. rhinoceratus and
F. willsii. These six steps included establishing conservative annual export quotas for wild specimens intended for trade, based on estimates of sustainable offtake and scientific information;
To this end, Madagasikara Voakajy had begun extensive studies in 2008 to gather data necessary to assist the Madagascar CITES Scientific Authority to demonstrate findings of non-detriment and sustainable collection abilities. The results of this work were reported in 2011 and in 2012 the Animals Committee accepted a quota proposed by Madagascar of 250 live specimens of
Furcifer campani for 2012 and 2013, and zero export quotas for
Calumma brevicorne, C. crypticum, C. gastrotaenia, C. nasutum, C. parsonii, Furcifer antimena and
F. minor, and the Standing Committee lifted the suspension on
Calumma andringitraense, C. boettgeri, C. brevicorne, C. crypticum, C. fallax, C. gallus, C. gastrotaenia, C. glawi, C. globifer, C. guillaumeti, C. malthe, C. marojezense, C. nasutum, C. oshaughnessyi, C. parsonii, C. vencesi, Furcifer antimena, F. bifidus, F. campani, F. minor, F. petteri, F. rhinoceratus and
F. willsii.
With the completion of the IUCN Red List Assessments for the remaining Malagasy chameleon species, quotas on additional species were established last year.
Calumma amber, C. capuroni, C. cucullatum, C. furcifer, C. guibei, C. hafahafa, C. hilleniusi, C. jejy, C. linotum, C. peltierorum, C. peyrierasi, C. tsaratananense, C. tsycorne, C. vatosoa, Furcifer angeli, F. balteatus, F. belalandaensis, F. labordi, F. nicosiai and
F. tuzetae, however, remain under a trade suspension pending recognition by CITES of compliance with paragraphs 2(a) and 3 of Article IV by Madagascar.
Now, as can be clearly shown in the above, Jeremy, no one “with CITES or someone connected here with CITES was listening” and none “figured [you] had a good point/good idea to add some new Madagascar quota species after none for 17 years”. The wheels for these quotas were in motion years before you started rambling to yourself.
Chris
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Carpenter, A.I. (2002). CITES: Good Conservation or Failing All?
Chameleons! Online E-Zine, September 2002.
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A conservation framework for Furcifer chameleons in Madagascar. Madagasikara Voakajy, Madagascar.
Not enough buyers for CB parsonii?! I would be a little surprised if they even need to be advertised to be sold. Three people breeding them is awesome, it is NOWHERE near enough to establish them in the hobby. 
