Egg laying

[Angelwolf]

Right now her priority is to lay all these eggs out and hide the eggs away,usually the female gravid cham will not eat during the egg laying process,shaking head on ur female....mmm .....was she trying to shake the dirt away ,usually males are the one doing the bopping n mounting on the female,maybe u have a female likes to be in control

Ha Ha! What female doesn't like to be in control?!?

 

[alphakenc]

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Here's a few pictures I just took of her.

I know the reason now....on ur pictures she is NOT gravid,since that color doesn't show a gravid color,usually its blue n yellow .

 

[alphakenc]

Ha Ha! What female doesn't like to be in control?!?

My female hamster,she likes to be dominated by the male and the male like to be in control especially when he sees her.

 

[Angelwolf]

I don't know. For some reason, to me, she looks cold. Maybe you should give her a stronger basking bulb. Or maybe an additional one, in another area of the cage. And I'm curious, what does your vet think is infected? She doesn't seem to be showing any symptoms of an infection...

 

[#Chams4life]

My female hamster,she likes to be dominated by the male and the male like to be in control especially when he sees her.

Yes I didnt think she was gravid now, but before I thought she was and then she started digging at the bottom of her cage. I only have a male Panther and they cannot see each other. Is that stress patterns though? I thought gravid colors were dark or blackish colors and receptive were yellow and blue?

 

[Angelwolf]

Yes I didnt think she was gravid now, but before I thought she was and then she started digging at the bottom of her cage. I only have a male Panther and they cannot see each other. Is that stress patterns though? I thought gravid colors were dark or blackish colors and receptive were yellow and blue?

Ya. I thought so too.

 

[alphakenc]

Ok ladies plz look for this picture in the veiled care sheet in the link this way we can be in the same pace together
https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/

the color of ur cham is showing a stress color,thats why ur vet told u she has no egg in her ,she has an infection instead.

 

[#Chams4life]

Ok ladies plz look for this picture in the veiled care sheet in the link this way we can be in the same pace together
https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/
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Oh so would that be stress then? I don't see how she could be cold it's around 88-90 in her cage like the vet said. And is that receptive colors? I saw the pic that said adult female, they don't keep those colors do they? Sorry for seeming oblivious right now guess I'm just confused...

 

[alphakenc]

Here is a better pic on a gravid female

And u probably can see the blue n yellow better than the other pic.
Receptive color is much lighter green with less patterns.
I dont think she is cold,since ur vet told u that she has an infection,and when a cham is sick ,the color of the cham can be duller n darker.

 

[#Chams4life]

Here is a better pic on a gravid female
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And u probably can see the blue n yellow better than the other pic.
Receptive color is much lighter green with less patterns.
I dont think she is cold,since ur vet told u that she has an infection,and when a cham is sick ,the color of the cham can be duller n darker.

Oh ok thanks. Then she was receptive in August, this is her in August

Still weird she didn't lay any eggs then after possible she absorbed them? Or could it take this long for her to develop eggs? I thought it was 3-4 weeks after that they lay. Guess I should brush up on my facts because I thought I knew all of this.

 

[alphakenc]

It can also depends on how much she ate to develope all the eggs,when my veiled was gravid,she ate non stop like its the end of the chameleon world,she laid. 72 eggs ,and it took about 2-3 month for her to lay those fertile eggs in the playsand inside the bucket,I end up have all 72 babies running around,which was a non stop excitement n joy for me

 

[#Chams4life]

Aww I bet! That's a handful! I have considered breeding her with my friends male but not until she's better & completely healthy. she use to eat like a pig anything and everything I would offer and she rarely ever turned anything down, I started to limit her food to 10-12 dusted (crix, diff kinda of worms) every other day when I saw the receptive colors and lowered her temps a bit in hopes of her producing a small clutch, which she never did. That's why when she stopped eating and was only digging I began to worry but not a lot, but after 2 weeks of her only eating a total of 5 (crix) I got really worried. Also Thank you for staying in this thread and helping answer my questions I really appreciate your time and knowledge.

 

[alphakenc]

Just out of curiosity,did the vet took an Xray to confirm there are no eggs in her ?
Since u describe everything on ur cham matches a gravid female behavior,and Im just wondering how did ur vet determine that ur cham is free of eggs inside of her.
Also did the vet explains to u what type of the infection that she has??
All these questions probably will lead to ur answer on why is ur cham acting the way she was by digging n no eggs,not eating etc...etc,when we putting all these puzzles together,we shall figured out ur veiled chameleon's behavior in her mysterious way,unless u decide to move on to the next step,which is getting her out of that infection as what she is having now.

 

[#Chams4life]

Yes he did take an x-Ray and said that there are no eggs or any start of some forming and no blockages, also he actually wasn't sure, she's a bit of a puzzle to us, he is guessing it's an infection but doesn't know what kind, I'm taking her back Saturday for another round because she's still not eating I'll ask, when I get home I'll post what kind of antibiotic it was.

 

[Angelwolf]

Yes he did take an x-Ray and said that there are no eggs or any start of some forming and no blockages, also he actually wasn't sure, she's a bit of a puzzle to us, he is guessing it's an infection but doesn't know what kind, I'm taking her back Saturday for another round because she's still not eating I'll ask, when I get home I'll post what kind of antibiotic it was.

are there any other reptile vets around you? Maybe take your cham to a different vet for a second opinion, since your regular one is stumped.

 

[#Chams4life]

are there any other reptile vets around you? Maybe take your cham to a different vet for a second opinion, since your regular one is stumped.

I will look im not sure, i really like this vet they treat all my other animals and are really good, but your right a second opinion would be good, and the antibiotic was 25mg/ml 0.1 ml of amiglyde. Not sure of there are different antibiotics for different infections in chameleons.

 

[#Chams4life]

Ok so I went into the room to check on her and I saw a little bit of poo on the branch then I looked in the laying bin that is still there and found a glob of dark green poo with yellow/white so she must be drinking some when Im not home. So I took the first little bit and put it in a bag and looked at it then the big glob and I think she is full of pinworms instead of an infection which would actually be a big relief since it can be treated and then we're not shooting in the dark guessing and giving unneeded medication, luckily I go back to the vet tomorrow at 11:00 and can talk to the doctor. I never thought about her having worms until now. I had a fecal done a few months back but I guess I should do one evey month from now on.

 

[alphakenc]

AMIGLYDE is usually for the treatment of uterine infections.
And pinworm also can be treated,but will need several doses of the medication to get rid of them,since the adult pinworm is easy to kill but the cycle of the remaining pinworm eggs will need to be eliminated all to make sure they wont reinfest in ur cham after.
A total cage clean is a must before the pinworm or eggs find the host on ur cham later.

 

[#Chams4life]

AMIGLYDE is usually for the treatment of uterine infections.
And pinworm also can be treated,but will need several doses of the medication to get rid of them,since the adult pinworm is easy to kill but the cycle of the remaining pinworm eggs will need to be eliminated all to make sure they wont reinfest in ur cham after.
A total cage clean is a must before the pinworm or eggs find the host on ur cham later.

Ok, I read read some about it and I read that it's a strong antibiotic is that true? And should be used with lots of fluids. Also yes I plan on taking her cage apart and pouring boiling water on everything a few times and giving it a very good scrub any suggestions on what to use or would boiling water and soap be enough?

 

[alphakenc]

Ok, I read read some about it and I read that it's a strong antibiotic is that true? And should be used with lots of fluids. Also yes I plan on taking her cage apart and pouring boiling water on everything a few times and giving it a very good scrub any suggestions on what to use or would boiling water and soap be enough?

In my opinion its not always about the strong or weak antibiotic,Its matter of how serious is the illness conditions,since ur vet prescribed the 25mg/ml 0.1 ml of amiglyde,ur vet must have a reason to do so,unless u think ur cham is not getting better n getting worst,u should follow ur vet guidance,after all its ur vet that did the diagnosis on ur cham n give his or her executive decision to prescribe the amiglyde.
As far as the cage cleaning,personally I will use diluted bleach water 50/50 to submerge ur empty cage in a big bath tub and rinse it completely couple times,remember to wear some plastic glove while u doing that,since its very easy to pick those tiny eggs up on ur bare hand n transfer to elsewhere ,after u using the diluted bleach,u can also apply the vinegar on ur empty cage,since the vinegar will create an unsuitable living environment for the pinworm (strong acidity) and the pinworm usually prefer sugary environment,even human can get pinworms too,causing anal or vaginal itching, insomnia, irritability, restlessness, abdominal pain and nausea all sorts of the problem,just imagine the chameleon feel on their tiny portion of their body ....
Also throw away all ur live plants inside ur cage if there is any since u can not pour bleach or vinegar on them.
Sometimes u will have to do this couple times,just in case those tiny pinworm eggs hatch on the place that u miss to disinfect n the whole pinworm cycle will restart all over again.