AsiaKauffman
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I think I figured it out.........
I've been researching and researching and praying to figure this out.... I'm not 100% but I think I have came to a conclusion.
I will post the websites with information and the foods ect that all make sense to me and I want to see what everyone thinks.
I think Linus has HyPERvitaminosis.
I decided to make a new veggie juice that would help his liver since the vet thinks its a fatty liver issue, which it could be as well.
Vet told me to stick to the oral calcium, ( Neo-Calglucon Syrup), the La Faber Nutritional Support, crickets dusted in (Repti Calcium without D3, since he goes in the sun weekly), and pinkies, after 2.5 weeks it wasn't getting better, so I've been researching and trying to understand how chameleons bodies work, the fod they eat and the food to feed the feeder, how it all works as a system.
So, back in January, i gave Linus Rep-Cal with D3, for a week straight( so as my Mueller - he got some swelling), but my panther Linus got neck Edema bad. I cut off the calcium since i thought i over supplemented him. When Linus wasn't feeling good and didn't want to eat much I fed him Carnivore Care (powder a vet in Ohio gave me to give to my chameleons if they are sick or don't want to eat),....it contains Vitamin A 25,000IU/kg.
I weened Linus off Carnivore Care not to much longer after that because he started eating Mealworms, i forgot he loved them. Just found out they are high in protein.
He got Silkworms, hornworms and crickets too, but unless I helped him to eat those, he wouldn't eat them on his own.
Been to 2 vets, can't figure out the edema. I administered my New veggie juice Tuesday and Wednesday, Wednesday night Linus was huge... bigger than before and underneath his jaw was a balloon too.
Juice contained....Beet (for liver function), dandelion (poor liver), spinach (antioxidant),cabbage(digestive/antioxidants), grapefruit( increase appetite, liver function and detoxification diuretic.).
* Please let me know if any of these veggies can hurt a chameleon? I don't think so, but I'm still researching.
I did find out this morning that Dandelion has more vitamin A, than 4lbs of carrots! Which can be bad!!!
I fed Linus silkworms with the juice and I know the silkworms wouldn't be a harm, that I know of, but he only at 4 each day.
I can't find out if La Faber Nutritional Support has Vitamin A in it, but I'm calling the vet this morning.
The first round of veggie juice I administered weeks ago was ( spinach, collard greens and kale) and Linus wasn't worse, he looked peppier and doing ok.
Linus pooped yesterday and part of his insides came out some. I'll upload a photo. They went back in after he finished but it scared me, so i researched more and more after that). He's obviously not doing better and something that I am giving him or not giving him is hurting him still.
Persistance is the Key!
The web information this morning.......
As I reported earlier, my chameleon eats only crickets, nothing else. Further, my crickets are rarely dusted, on the order of maybe 2 or 3 times per month. That tended to rule out the supplementing as a cause of its apparent edema. The crickets, as I reported earlier, are fed a sort of applesauce-ish type of mixture made of near equal parts of: 1) dandilion greens, 2) collard greens, 3) endive, and 4) watercress. That's the main dish. They're also given two side dishes: 1) bee pollen, and 2) dried egg yolks. Edema in chameleons, I've found, is commonly attributed to over supplementation, especially with regard to vitamin A. Also, as I've reported earlier, my veterinarian told me that crickets should never be given carrots (though I don't recall having asked him why). I, as I've noted, certainly don't over supplement, and I don't give my crickets carrots, but I wondered about how much vitamin A they were getting from my gut load. As it turns out, one of the ingredients is very high in vitamin A, and almost exactly 1/2 as rich in vitamin A as carrots. Here's the breakdown:
Amount in mix | Ingredient | RE of Vitamin A | % of Total ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 lb Dandelion greens-fresh 6350 58% 1 lb Watercress-fresh 2132 20% 1 lb Collards-raw 1511 14% 1 lb Endive-Raw Pieces 930 9% ----- ---- TOTAL: 10923 100%
By way of comparison, 4 lbs of carrots have 51030 RE of vitamin A. So she's been getting a whole heck of a lot of vitamin A. And, to make things worse, I'm pretty sure that dandelion greens actually make up more than 1/4 of the greens in my gut load paste, just judging from memory on how large are the bundles that they're sold in. In fact, dandelion greens may comprise as much as 2/3rds of the mix. I wish now that I hadn't made the appointment with the veterinarian, because I'm pretty sure what the problem is. But, then again, maybe he'll have some great ideas about how to cure the problem, other than just backing off of the vitamin A.
Source: http://www.veiled-chameleon.com/weblog/archives/000218.html#ixzz1MoaG38pT
http://healthrecipes.com/dandelion.htm
The most therapeutic form is as juice. The leaves are richer in vitamin A than are carrots. One cup of dandelion greens provides 25 calories, 1.5 g protein, 5 g carbohydrate, 19 mg Vitamin C, 7,700 IU of vitamin A and 103 mg calcium.
I've been researching and researching and praying to figure this out.... I'm not 100% but I think I have came to a conclusion.
I will post the websites with information and the foods ect that all make sense to me and I want to see what everyone thinks.
I think Linus has HyPERvitaminosis.
I decided to make a new veggie juice that would help his liver since the vet thinks its a fatty liver issue, which it could be as well.
Vet told me to stick to the oral calcium, ( Neo-Calglucon Syrup), the La Faber Nutritional Support, crickets dusted in (Repti Calcium without D3, since he goes in the sun weekly), and pinkies, after 2.5 weeks it wasn't getting better, so I've been researching and trying to understand how chameleons bodies work, the fod they eat and the food to feed the feeder, how it all works as a system.
So, back in January, i gave Linus Rep-Cal with D3, for a week straight( so as my Mueller - he got some swelling), but my panther Linus got neck Edema bad. I cut off the calcium since i thought i over supplemented him. When Linus wasn't feeling good and didn't want to eat much I fed him Carnivore Care (powder a vet in Ohio gave me to give to my chameleons if they are sick or don't want to eat),....it contains Vitamin A 25,000IU/kg.
I weened Linus off Carnivore Care not to much longer after that because he started eating Mealworms, i forgot he loved them. Just found out they are high in protein.
He got Silkworms, hornworms and crickets too, but unless I helped him to eat those, he wouldn't eat them on his own.
Been to 2 vets, can't figure out the edema. I administered my New veggie juice Tuesday and Wednesday, Wednesday night Linus was huge... bigger than before and underneath his jaw was a balloon too.
Juice contained....Beet (for liver function), dandelion (poor liver), spinach (antioxidant),cabbage(digestive/antioxidants), grapefruit( increase appetite, liver function and detoxification diuretic.).
* Please let me know if any of these veggies can hurt a chameleon? I don't think so, but I'm still researching.
I did find out this morning that Dandelion has more vitamin A, than 4lbs of carrots! Which can be bad!!!
I fed Linus silkworms with the juice and I know the silkworms wouldn't be a harm, that I know of, but he only at 4 each day.
I can't find out if La Faber Nutritional Support has Vitamin A in it, but I'm calling the vet this morning.
The first round of veggie juice I administered weeks ago was ( spinach, collard greens and kale) and Linus wasn't worse, he looked peppier and doing ok.
Linus pooped yesterday and part of his insides came out some
. I'll upload a photo. They went back in after he finished but it scared me, so i researched more and more after that). He's obviously not doing better and something that I am giving him or not giving him is hurting him still.Persistance is the Key!
The web information this morning.......
As I reported earlier, my chameleon eats only crickets, nothing else. Further, my crickets are rarely dusted, on the order of maybe 2 or 3 times per month. That tended to rule out the supplementing as a cause of its apparent edema. The crickets, as I reported earlier, are fed a sort of applesauce-ish type of mixture made of near equal parts of: 1) dandilion greens, 2) collard greens, 3) endive, and 4) watercress. That's the main dish. They're also given two side dishes: 1) bee pollen, and 2) dried egg yolks. Edema in chameleons, I've found, is commonly attributed to over supplementation, especially with regard to vitamin A. Also, as I've reported earlier, my veterinarian told me that crickets should never be given carrots (though I don't recall having asked him why). I, as I've noted, certainly don't over supplement, and I don't give my crickets carrots, but I wondered about how much vitamin A they were getting from my gut load. As it turns out, one of the ingredients is very high in vitamin A, and almost exactly 1/2 as rich in vitamin A as carrots. Here's the breakdown:
Amount in mix | Ingredient | RE of Vitamin A | % of Total ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 lb Dandelion greens-fresh 6350 58% 1 lb Watercress-fresh 2132 20% 1 lb Collards-raw 1511 14% 1 lb Endive-Raw Pieces 930 9% ----- ---- TOTAL: 10923 100%
By way of comparison, 4 lbs of carrots have 51030 RE of vitamin A. So she's been getting a whole heck of a lot of vitamin A. And, to make things worse, I'm pretty sure that dandelion greens actually make up more than 1/4 of the greens in my gut load paste, just judging from memory on how large are the bundles that they're sold in. In fact, dandelion greens may comprise as much as 2/3rds of the mix. I wish now that I hadn't made the appointment with the veterinarian, because I'm pretty sure what the problem is. But, then again, maybe he'll have some great ideas about how to cure the problem, other than just backing off of the vitamin A.
Source: http://www.veiled-chameleon.com/weblog/archives/000218.html#ixzz1MoaG38pT
http://healthrecipes.com/dandelion.htm
The most therapeutic form is as juice. The leaves are richer in vitamin A than are carrots. One cup of dandelion greens provides 25 calories, 1.5 g protein, 5 g carbohydrate, 19 mg Vitamin C, 7,700 IU of vitamin A and 103 mg calcium.
