Administering Baytril

[d3s5]

I got my panther from Kammers 5 months ago and have 2 basking spots. One is 85 and the other 95 degrees. He uses them both daily and hasn't had any problems.

 

[ataraxia]

the glottis opening is directly behind the tongue. honestly it is hard to get behind it with a standard syringe. just take your time and administer very small amounts at a time. adminster, let the chameleon swallow then wait a minute and repeat.

 

[Pilotman800]

When you thought it was a Vit A problem what did you do to try and fix it??

Also, can you post a pic of what you are using to administer the oral meds?? My chams that get mad and open their mouth as soon I open the cage are easy to give oral meds to....but I have a couple of females that are very passive and will not open their mouths no matter what! Actually right now one female is gravid and will gape at me if i even glance her way right now....

I used Reytinal palminate.

Ill get a picture up as soon as I can. My mom has the camera right now.

Waldo is very passive. I have to force his mouth open.

I got my panther from Kammers 5 months ago and have 2 basking spots. One is 85 and the other 95 degrees. He uses them both daily and hasn't had any problems.

That is really good to hear. I think i'm going to temporarily replace his bulb with a higher watt one.

the glottis opening is directly behind the tongue. honestly it is hard to get behind it with a standard syringe. just take your time and administer very small amounts at a time. adminster, let the chameleon swallow then wait a minute and repeat.

Its very hard. I administered his meds again, and it went better. He still aspirated a bit though. He wheezed but not as much as before.

 

[tdotcham]

will he eat off your hand? i just did 2 weeks of 3 days on ponazuril for coccidia. I would feed him, as he was chewing i'd put the syringe in the front of his mouth and give it a quick attempt. if he didnt get it all, id just feed another worm and do the same.

i found he would just bite and latch on to the syringe... so much easier than all the stress I caused the one time i tried to get him to open his mouth (which didn't work anyway)

 

[Pilotman800]

will he eat off your hand? i just did 2 weeks of 3 days on ponazuril for coccidia. I would feed him, as he was chewing i'd put the syringe in the front of his mouth and give it a quick attempt. if he didnt get it all, id just feed another worm and do the same.

i found he would just bite and latch on to the syringe... so much easier than all the stress I caused the one time i tried to get him to open his mouth (which didn't work anyway)

He he hand feeds and cup feeds. I was thinking about trying to shoot it in there but I thought it would be really hard. I'll try it tomorrow.

I would also like to inject it in the feeder. Where can I get a needle for the syringe?

By the way.... Im surprised he hasn't broken the syringe. He chomps in it pretty hard when its in his mouth.

 

[Pilotman800]

Sorry for the double post, but consider this an update on his condition.

I don't know if its coincidence, but he started on the eye drops and Baytril yesterday. Well, today I noticed he hasn't closed his eyes or wheezed at all (Besides when he aspirated a bit of the baytril)

I forgot to add earlier that the eye I thought was smaller, is actually normal size. Its the other eye that isn't normal. Its apparently swollen. It is still the same size so we are hoping to see it decrease within the next week or two.

 

[bighutch917]

Because chams hate Baytril in it's pure form, my vet prescribes a Baytril compound. It is readily accepted and it has cured a variety of illnesses.

 

[tdotcham]

He he hand feeds and cup feeds. I was thinking about trying to shoot it in there but I thought it would be really hard. I'll try it tomorrow.

I would also like to inject it in the feeder. Where can I get a needle for the syringe?

By the way.... Im surprised he hasn't broken the syringe. He chomps in it pretty hard when its in his mouth.

the syringe is tiny and therefore strong. i just had my guy chomp on the very tip enough so i could just administer the dosage. Mine were pretty small though... 0.1ml

 

[Pilotman800]

Because chams hate Baytril in it's pure form, my vet prescribes a Baytril compound. It is readily accepted and it has cured a variety of illnesses.

How is it administered?

the syringe is tiny and therefore strong. i just had my guy chomp on the very tip enough so i could just administer the dosage. Mine were pretty small though... 0.1ml

Yeah, it has to be strong if him chomping on it didn't even make a mark.

So... Question to everyone... Now he's sleeping and he is black. He is not his light usual sleeping colors. Is this due to the stress and the infections?

 

[lindawaz]

no, just like any kid trying to make their parents guilt trip worse!

I really don't know just thought I would put that out there

 

[bighutch917]

It's administered via syringe.

 

[Pilotman800]

no, just like any kid trying to make their parents guilt trip worse!

I really don't know just thought I would put that out there

Haha..

It's administered via syringe.

I see. Ill ask him about it next time!

So today it went the same. I administered the Baytril at the very beginning of his mouth. I tried to do it slow and in pieces, but once you push it, it quickly empties. He aspirated a little again. Other than that, he isn't closing his eyes as much as before. He also isn't wheezing as much. (Except when he aspirates) His eye is still swollen, though.

I am trying to find a needle for the syringe to inject it into a feeder.

 

[Olimpia]

Your own vet will give you one if you ask. Although they'll be closed today... Your pharmacy might also have some. Bring his meds/prescription though so it doesn't look like you're a junky if you have to ask the pharmacists for them lol But they may have needles in the aisles for insulin and such, check that out.

 

[Pilotman800]

Your own vet will give you one if you ask. Although they'll be closed today... Your pharmacy might also have some. Bring his meds/prescription though so it doesn't look like you're a junky if you have to ask the pharmacists for them lol But they may have needles in the aisles for insulin and such, check that out.

Awesome, thank you Olimpia.

 

[Pilotman800]

So Waldo is still on the medication. He has not shown improvement, but he has not gotten worse, either. The vet called me back today with the culture results. Waldo came back positive for three types of negative gram bacteria or something like that. The bacteria also tested sensitive to the eye drops and baytril.

The vet did also tell me that it is life threatening, especially with a young guy like Waldo. At this point he is still eating, basking, sleeping, etc... Im surprised how well he is handling all this. I've been handling him somewhat rough to get the eye drops and medication in, and not once has he hissed or tried to bite me.

 

[lindawaz]

Poor Waldo (and you) hopefully the meds will help. 3 different types ? I wonder if that is why he is taking a bit to recover.

You two are in my thoughts and healing vibes your way.

I know you love that little guy and I think he knows you are helping him and that is why he is putting up with your man handling

 

[Pilotman800]

Poor Waldo (and you) hopefully the meds will help. 3 different types ? I wonder if that is why he is taking a bit to recover.

You two are in my thoughts and healing vibes your way.

I know you love that little guy and I think he knows you are helping him and that is why he is putting up with your man handling

Yeah, I really hope. Chameleons take a long time to get sick, and a long time to heal. He's been on the meds for about a week already, so I hope to see improvements in around another week or so.

Thanks.

Haha, yeah. He really is taking it well in terms of aggression. Otherwise I can tell he's really stressed. He's been black for about a week. (Since he came from the vet)

 

[lindawaz]

I am in your corner in spirit anyways. The good thing he is not getting worse so something must be going well inside! Keep us posted

 

[SilverDragoness]

Aw man this sucks for you. Keep up the good work sounds like you are doing all the right things for the little dude. The culture was to see if the antibiotics you were using will actually work against that bacteria. Aspiration is not good it can cause pneumonia. Think of the lungs as a sponge with lots of absorptive area. A little down there won't do too much but if there are foreign particles then it can cause inflammation. Here is the wiki to aspiration but don't freak out too much he may be making sounds because he's gasping for extra air after you've given the meds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_aspiration

 

[Pilotman800]

Aw man this sucks for you. Keep up the good work sounds like you are doing all the right things for the little dude. The culture was to see if the antibiotics you were using will actually work against that bacteria. Aspiration is not good it can cause pneumonia. Think of the lungs as a sponge with lots of absorptive area. A little down there won't do too much but if there are foreign particles then it can cause inflammation. Here is the wiki to aspiration but don't freak out too much he may be making sounds because he's gasping for extra air after you've given the meds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_aspiration

Thanks!

At this point it seems like his R.I has gotten MUCH better. I have not heard him wheezing at ALL like I used to. As for his tear duct infection, it may have gotten a LITTLE better. Its hard to tell. However, his tongue isn't launching all the way. Its been doing this since his second day on the medication. I spoke to the vet about it and he said its all a part of the process, to not worry about it. He is still eating great (When I help him out), basking, pooping, moving around, etc...

The follow up appointment is on the 6th.