Worried about my Grabby!

[Brad Ramsey]

I am also concerned with the look of the eyes.
I haven't posted on this thread because I (honestly) have had a hard time looking at the pictures and didn't really think there was much hope for this little girl.
Her eyes are beyond looking dehydrated, she looks very very sick to me.
Lyanlynn, I am not blaming or being critical of you.
I think you purchased an unhealthy animal and no good advice to go with her.
I don't know about her being gravid, but I am the wrong person to ask about that situation with a Jackson's. She seems very small.
But those eyes speak volumes.
It's not good.

-Brad

 

[Julirs]

She shouldn't be spending any time with your bearded dragon-I am sure that is VERY stressful.

 

[summoner12]

She shouldn't be spending any time with your bearded dragon-I am sure that is VERY stressful.

Thanks - I had to bite my tongue

 

[lyanlynn]

Thanks - I had to bite my tongue

She hasn't since I moved her. He gets in her old home to eat the crickets. They were looking at each other through their own "windows" yesterday. Don't hold your tongue guys. I know he wouldn't hurt her, but he won't be in her new home. Um, as for her looking beyond hope, I don't think that's true. Her eyes are still a bit in, but she looks like a totally different chameleon. She's even got a hint of green to her now. She explored her new home yesterday. She crawled down the vine, onto the bottom, over to see Licky, over to see me, back to the vine, and when I had come back she had climbed all the way up the side. I definitely think she likes the space. She's spending time under the light. When she didn't want any more light last night she climbed where she couldn't get any. I then turned it off and returned her to the vine. I was scared she might try to climb out. I still don't have a top yet. Now, I just have to get her to eat and we'll be good. She plays in the water a couple times a day. She drinks a bit and then just soaks it up through her skin. I still mist heavily, trying not to spray her directly too much. She really doesn't like it. Don't give up on my Grabby yet!

 

[beeze]

Has she seen a vet and had a fecal done? Bearded dragons are high carriers of coccidia and if she's been in contact with him she could have it.

 

[Brad Ramsey]

Can you post a more recent picture of her?

-Brad

 

[Lizardlover]

I dont mean to keep bringing this up but Lyanlynn, the cage you have doesnt have enough foliage and plants for her, they like that so they can hide, that one little fake plant wont do for her.

 

[Sang]

OK, so here is my chams cage, allthough his actual cage isn't so dense, the outside is pretty dense were he like to go sometimes.

 

[BocaJan]

Here's mine

 

[kinyonga]

When you get a new reptile its important to quarantine it...it should NOT be put in with another reptile. Even after the quarantine I don't advise keeping different species from different areas together...one can pass on bacteria, parasites, etc. to the other.

You said..."He gets in her old home to eat the crickets"....did you clean the cage out before letting him in ti?? If not you may have risked the health of both of them.

You said your dragon won't hurt her....even if he doesn't hurt her physically he may be causing her stress (which you might not be able to see).

I'm not positive about her being gravid, but I think that's what her colors are saying to me.

 

[lyanlynn]

Has she seen a vet and had a fecal done? Bearded dragons are high carriers of coccidia and if she's been in contact with him she could have it.

No, she hasn't. I don't think she's gotten anything from Licky. She hasn't been around him much, and when she was he was on the bottom eating her crickets and she was on her vine.

 

[lyanlynn]

She posed very nicely for these. She like my miniture laptop. Also, please excuse my frizzy, sticking up hair.

 

[lyanlynn]

I found this when ordering food for Grabby and I thought you all might find it interesting.

 

[Sang]

PHoenix worms can be a bad thing, i am wondering if that chart is a base count measurement on nutrional facts.

and probably does not include factors such as gut loading.


she looks a little better, but here eyes still look a little bit sunken, it may just be the photo.

 

[Fred]

grabby

hi, I'm very new to this also and like u have only had my guy for a short time, also I purchased him along with a WHOLE LOT of bad advise, I bought everything the pet store recommended and thank god I found this site only one week after I brought him home or I probably would not still be able to talk about him in the present!! A couple of things u need to understand....
1) You have found an extremely valuable resource here use it as much as you can!!
2) Most of the people on here are not Vets BUT in alot of cases they know more than some regular vets do! You want to find a vet who specializes in herps and u can find the website on here to search for one or I'm sure somebody will post it for u, as u will see everyone is VERY helpful and want the best for Grabby! This is not a substitution for a vet visit, what makes Vets better than the people on here is that they can see ur little guy one on one and they have the specialized euipment, labs, and meds for Grabby, that is the only major difference, so until u can get him to a vet try to do as much as u can on what they recommend, they have raised hundreds and have seen many different situations!
3) When they say gravid, she doesnt have to be pregnant- or bred- or around a male, I believe they still lay infertle eggs kinda like a chicken does, so if she is I think she needs somewhere to dig Im not sure somebody will correct me who knows way more about this stuff than I do!!
4) When they are talking about your beardie and ur cham being in contact, it doesn't have to be direct contact at all- cross contamination- just by them walking on the same stuff and being in the same cage even if at different times, for example if ur beardie walks over a spot your chams poo was- even if not still in the cage the bacteria is
5) Chams are very sensitive, they're not like a beardie, most don't like to be handled, even if u can't tell it, they mostly not sociable animals, try to make it where cham and beardie can't look at each other if possible.
6) you can put your cham in the shower on its plant, with the H2o difflecting off the wall onto the plant, not directly spraying on the plant, you want the H2o to be luke warm to warm, not hot, not cold. I wouldn't put him under a direct stream of any sort.
I know its alot of info to take in but once u get it all straight it gets much easier and more enjoyable!! Can't wait to see him in a couple of months!! Keep up with this post for any corrections it may need from more experienced members! Glad to have U!!

 

[lyanlynn]

PHoenix worms can be a bad thing, i am wondering if that chart is a base count measurement on nutrional facts.

and probably does not include factors such as gut loading.


she looks a little better, but here eyes still look a little bit sunken, it may just be the photo.

I think the chart is talking about as is. I don't have any supplements. I had a bad experience with the supplements. I coated my crickets for Licky and he didn't feel too well once he had eaten them. According to the site, and that chart, the phoenix worm seems pretty dang awesome. Someone on here mentioned that mealworms should be fed sparingly, but right now that's all I've got that I know she'll eat. I ordered really small phoenix worms, so hopefully everything will be okay. Why would you say that they could be bad? I don't want to feed her anything that would be bad, but I have already ordered the worms and I ordered 1000 crickets today. Her eyes are still a bit sunken but she's looks a MILLION times better than she did day before yesterday. I'm still worried about her not eating, but I'm trying to work on that.

 

[lyanlynn]

When they say gravid, she doesnt have to be pregnant- or bred- or around a male, I believe they still lay infertle eggs kinda like a chicken does, so if she is I think she needs somewhere to dig Im not sure somebody will correct me who knows way more about this stuff than I do!!

Jackson's give birth to live babies, so if she's gravid, she's pregnant. Hopefully she's not, but it would awesome to have little Grabbys running around! That would require a ton of more work, but I wouldn't let my babies down. Anywho, that's for your input!

 

[Sang]

phoenix worms are great, but in order for them to digest properly, from what i understand you have to poke a hole in them with a needle, or they dont' break down while being digested. * could be totally wrong , but i thought there was a thread on that a while ago*

suppliments are important, zoo~med calcium w/out d3 is a almost every day powder coat, and zoo-med calium w/d3 is a 2x a month powder coat.

you can also through in a vitamin powder coating every once in a whiel instead of one of the other coatings.

crickets are the best staple in my opinion, horn worms, silk worms are treats, and super worms should be used over meal worms as they are digested easier.

grasshoppers/locust are commonly used as well, blue bottle flies are also a treat, and rather easy to keep.

 

[Julirs]

Grabby looks terrible, and she is very stressed. Please quit handling her. She needs a well planted cage that looks like ones people previously posted on this thread. She needs a cage with a top (she will escape when you least expect it), a UVB light, a basking spot in the low 80's, supplements, live plants, and privacy or she will not be around much longer. She is small and hopefully not gravid, but you never know what you will get from a Petstore. A healthy, non-stressed, well fed Jacksons should look like this:

 

[lyanlynn]

phoenix worms are great, but in order for them to digest properly, from what i understand you have to poke a hole in them with a needle, or they dont' break down while being digested. * could be totally wrong , but i thought there was a thread on that a while ago*

suppliments are important, zoo~med calcium w/out d3 is a almost every day powder coat, and zoo-med calium w/d3 is a 2x a month powder coat.

you can also through in a vitamin powder coating every once in a whiel instead of one of the other coatings.

crickets are the best staple in my opinion, horn worms, silk worms are treats, and super worms should be used over meal worms as they are digested easier.

grasshoppers/locust are commonly used as well, blue bottle flies are also a treat, and rather easy to keep.

Whoa! Sooo, I'm good with the crickets. I can feed them and they work well. Um, phoenix worms have to have a hole poked in them? I can do that, but that sucks if they die and she doesn't eat them. I'll work on the supplements.