Update on Kinyongia tavetana eggs

[Cainschams]

Some of you may know I have some tavetana (dwarf fischers or proper common name Mt. Kilimanjaro Two-horned Chameleon) eggs in the oven. It started out a little bumpy with some mold. I was incubating them in the room the well comes up because it was spring when they where laid and I wanted to keep them cool. Now the temps are cooled down and that I had moved them a while ago all the mold has subsided and the eggs are HUGE. They are as big as my panther eggs at almost full term!!! They are between 7 to 8 months old and probably about ready to hatch if they are going to (nervous face).

They came from 2 WC specimen that werent in the greatest shape at all. I knew the female was gravid as soon as I saw her. I got her to lay her eggs and not to long after she passed away. The male seemed to be doing alright for a little while and then one day he was dead when I went to go feed. I really enjoyed working with (if thats what you want to call it) this species for that short time and hope to work with some CH specimen in the future. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!!

Catherine, how are your eggs doing?

 

[Champhibians]

Well at least something came out of it. I have 2 females, my male showed up dead. Was yours the yellow?

 

[Cainschams]

He wasnt completely yellow he had some on his face. I will post a picture after I get back from class. GTG

 

[Trace]

I'm rooting for you Cain!

 

[Cainschams]

Thanks Trace! Hopefully I didnt jinx myself

Hre are a couple pics of the male. I will be sure to keep you in mind if these guys hatch champhibians.

 

[Cainschams]

they are sweating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FOREVER ENDEAVOR]

nice!! im exited for you!! best of luck Cain.
Ray

 

[Trace]

WOOTNESS!

Definitely keep me posted on their progress. Good luck!

 

[AROWANA MAN]

any updates on the eggs?
man am I excited for them to hatch

 

[Cainschams]

Still sweating. If they stop and dont pipe that is bad news Im keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[ciafardo 4]

Cain if they hatch please keep me in mind ch are kinda hard to find this would really make my day

 

[Cainschams]

Well a little bad news ciafardo. Trace said its not good that they where still sweating after so long so I decided to cut into one. There was an embryo in there thats body was developed but it was pink (no scales). Something triggered them to start hatching too early. I am going to move the sweaters to a new container and hope that the others dont start trying to hatch. There are 11 eggs and 5 are sweating so we will keep our fingers crossed. Thanks for your help Trace.

 

[FOREVER ENDEAVOR]

Sorry to hear that Cain, hopefully the rest will hatch appropriately for you, best of luck..

 

[Trace]

Pooness.

While it is a shame that this has happened, at least you know why they are prematurely sweating and are able to hopefully rectify the issue with the remaining eggs. Remember too, these eggs came from a wild caught female who, I'm sure, wasn't kept in the greatest conditions while she was developing the clutch. Who knows if she had access to the sun, proper nutrition and water while she was shipped here then held for sale in the U.S. These are things you had no control over and may have affected, in some little way, this outcome.

I still have my fingers crossed for this clutch. I haven't heard of many other K. tavetana clutches in recent years so this is something to be proud of. Your findings and observations only go to furthering our knowledge of this species in captivity. Can't speak for anybody else, but I'm a big nerd when it comes to that!

Keep me posted on further developments.
Cheers,
t

 

[Nicodemayo]

Cain if they hatch please keep me in mind ch are kinda hard to find this would really make my day

kind of hard to find? How about you never see them? Best of luck to you cain.

 

[Cainschams]

Hey guys. Yes we are still optimistic about the other eggs. Hopefully the outcome of those will be better. Its pretty heartbreaking but again I knew it would be luck if I (still a novice keeper) did or do get any to hatch. I definatly have learned some things and I believe there is something to be learned in every situation good or bad so its not a complete bust. Also the whole mold situation really didnt have me riding on these guys.

You have a great point Trace, about her being WC and her situation. I would bet a lot of money that she was not properly cared for.

Nic, I think FLChams hatched out a few CH specimen.

I know they develope pretty rapidly in the final months. The one embryo was as big as the baby panthers that I have hatched out just with no scales. The stomach was kinda see through also. I wish I had a camera to take pics. This leads me to one more question. Are the scales the final or one of the final stages of development?

I would still like to work with these guys in the future no matter the outcome of this. I will be smarter and purchas the next pair at a show so I can at least get a better feel on their health status. Again, I still have a few more eggs so lets keep our fingers crossed. Oh, should I go ahead and cut the others open or just leave them? I would suspect after they sweat they are done? I will have a camera tomorrow to take pics of a few panther babies. Although it wont be the best but I may be able to get a few shots.

 

[Brad Ramsey]

I wouldn't give up on any of the eggs at this point.
How have you adjusted their situation? Have you reduced the temperature?
Trace is a good person to consult with on this project.
Good Luck!

-Brad

 

[Cainschams]

Im not giving up I didnt do anything with the temps because they are steady 72. I added some water to the vermiculite before I started this thread. It was pretty darn dry. I didnt add too much because I will a little every few days just to make sure there isnt too much but again maybe it was enough to cue. I did however keep the top off the container over night to allow some drying. I dont want to disturb them much because I am afraid a bump or nudge may trigger the rest Any suggestions?

 

[Cainschams]

Not going so well

Well I check the eggs every day or so and when I checked them lastnight they are starting to dent It is very dry in there so I added some water. With all my incubating medium I slowly add water over a course of a few days to a week so I dont over do it. I know the last time I added water may have triggered some to hatch but I felt I had to to possibly save these eggs. This whole experience has been pretty rough to say the least. I have lost almost all hope for the eggs at this point in time but will keep trying to do what I can till they completly shrivle and mold

Maybe I have done everything wrong to start with or maybe this time around just wasnt my time. However, I wont let the outcome let me down. Success sometimes tastes better after you have failed. I am not one to give up on anything that I put my mind too. Hopefully I can get some better specimen in the future to start out with. I know sometimes WC gravid females dont get the nutrition and other variables they need to produce healthy eggs. Maybe it was just a matter of that.

Although the experince has been rough it was still worth what I have learned. We will see what the future holds

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

fingers crossed

hoping for the best!