Tongue

thewise21

Member
Rescued a panther chameleon recently. Brought to vet to insure his mouth defect had no infection and over all health. My vet said he has some metabolic bone or had some bone problems and was likely due to poor supplements either during his development in egg or recent care. She thinks he is not using his tongue because of lack of supplements so having to feed by mouth. Is it possible that this problem is reversible with proper supps, zEither way I am in it for hi and will do whatever I can to give him the life they all deserve!
 

nightanole

Chameleon Enthusiast
Its not reversible. if the bone is warped, the aim will forever be off, they can not compensate. On the bright side, you can treat him just like a tree climbing beardy. Most of mine never made it to old age with working tongue, but they have no problem cup feeding or eating caterpillars off branches.
 

kinyonga

Chameleon Queen
Quite often the use of the tongue can be restored if the MBD is corrected quickly.
Does he ever try to use the tongue? Does he move it in and out of his mouth like he'd like to try but then doesn't?

Please post some photos of his mouth and him from the side so we can see all of him.

Did the vet not give you some liquid calcium to use to help the bones recover more quickly?
Usually that, along with proper supplementing will bring the bones and muscles back to proper strength and then he will be able to shoot the tongue out again.

Proper supplementing should continue after things are strong again but you will be able to drop the liquid calcium.

Proper supplementing...dust the insects just before feeding them to him with a phos free calcium powder lightly at all feedings but one a week. At that one feeding each week, alternate between a phos free calcium/D3 powder and a vitamin powder with a prEformed source of vitamin A...lightly dusted on the insects.

Make sure you feed/gutload the insects well too.

Hope this helps!

These might help too...
https://www.madcham.de/en/der-zungenschuss/
 
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thewise21

Member
Quite often the use of the tongue can be restored if the MBD is corrected quickly.
Does he ever try to use the tongue? Does he move it in and out of his mouth like he'd like to try but then doesn't?

Please post some photos of his mouth and him from the side so we can see all of him.

Did the vet not give you some liquid calcium to use to help the bones recover more quickly?
Usually that, along with proper supplementing will bring the bones and muscles back to proper strength and then he will be able to shoot the tongue out again.

Proper supplementing should continue after things are strong again but you will be able to drop the liquid calcium.

Proper supplementing...dust the insects just before feeding them to him with a phos free calcium powder lightly at all feedings but one a week. At that one feeding each week, alternate between a phos free calcium/D3 powder and a vitamin powder with a prEformed source of vitamin A...lightly dusted on the insects.

Make sure you feed/gutload the insects well too.

Hope this helps!

These might help too...
https://www.madcham.de/en/der-zungenschuss/
Yeah in fact he looks at live and starts licking and he licks to drink. Yes she gave me critical care powder which mixes with water to give to him. He was supposedly born with a defect in his mouth. Just rescued him so don’t know too much history but my vet told me she thinks at one time his mouth got infected but don’t see infection now. Also gave me antibiotic shots
 

thewise21

Member
Do you have any pictures you can post so we can see the actual deformity? MBD is one thing... But if it a lack of usage based on tongue function from not getting the right supplements this can be reversed.
 

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thewise21

Member
That’s what I thought too. Inside of mouth is beautiful no sings of infection or rot. Vet says probably had defect but small which at some time throughout his life got an infection or rot. Gave antibiotics and critical care food to supplement and feed for now
 

Beman

Chameleon Enthusiast
Ok but no sign of infection at all currently?

What supplements do you have for him?

Will he hand feed from you? I am thinking if he is drinking he may hand feed. Rather then doing the carnivore care. Which can be extremely stressful for them.
 

kinyonga

Chameleon Queen
You said..."Yeah in fact he looks at live and starts licking and he licks to drink"...have to agree with it sounding npmire like an infection than MBD that is causing the issue.

You said..."Yes she gave me critical care powder which mixes with water to give to him"...here's an alternative to carnivore care...
https://www.adcham.com/html/husbandry/bug-juice.html

You said..."He was supposedly born with a defect in his mouth. Just rescued him so don’t know too much history but my vet told me she thinks at one time his mouth got infected but don’t see infection now. Also gave me antibiotic shots" ...what antibiotic?
 
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