really light green

Ottik

New Member
Yoshi is a really light green color, really light. he normally has darker stripes running down his sides but tright now they are a light brown. When I touch him or bother him he turns black in some areas but his overally body scheme doesn't. I can't post a pic right now. any thoughts?
 

Brad Ramsey

Retired Moderator
Is the enclosure temp good? They turn light when they are comfortable and relaxed (sleeping), but also to avoid absorbing more heat if they are too hot.
What is your ambient temp? Basking temp? Nighttime temp?

-Brad
 

Brad Ramsey

Retired Moderator
Sorry I should have asked before...what is the age and species of your cham?
And, has he shed recently?
-Brad
 

Ottik

New Member
Veiled, 1/2, and he hasn't shed in a while but... I think hes dying, he is moving much less and his tongue is hanging out, with my help he got it back in but now its out again...
 

Ottik

New Member
Sorry not 1/2, 1 and a half years old. Now as i look at him his casque is really rubbery and his jaw is extremley weak. When i saw that he had MBD i was given a liquid supplement called calcium gluconate 23%. He has been taking .08 cc's of that for months now. I'm going to go mix some vitamins water and sugar for him.
 

Heika

New Member
Apparently, the value of the animal isn't so high to you that you would take him to a vet. Maybe the best approach would be to humanely euthenize him, because it certainly sounds like he is suffering.

Threads like this make me think that Ardith Abate is correct.
 

Brad Ramsey

Retired Moderator
I agree Heika.
I've had the same thoughts the last couple of days with threads concerning whether or not a chameleon is a good "pet" for a 13 year old.


-Brad
 

roo_71

New Member
Threads like this make me think that Ardith Abate is correct.

Threads like this one are probably the reason why you don’t see Ardith and the rest of the long term cham keeper in the forums. Eventually you get sick of it - to the point where you want to yak on your keyboard.

Eventually I will do the same since I feel like tearing new ones on a daily basis. I will always stay in touch with the ones I respect but will stop coming to the forums. Anyone who truly cares about pygmies and needs help will know how to find me (and other long term/successful pygmy keepers)

I really like chatting chams with keepers who take it seriously – maybe someone can put together a members only type forum so we can keep the "house of pain" keepers out.

-roo
 

Kazza

New Member
Even though i'm new to keeping chameleons and was extremely mis-led by the guy who sold me my female i'm quite concerned about the number of people with dying chameleons.

I was lucky enough to join this forum before Shiver started to suffer from the store's care instructions - i just hope i haven't been a burden asking all of the "usual novice" questions.

I have listened to everyone's advise and instructions and hopefully have a very good set up for Shiver now.

If i had any question about her health i wouldn't think twice about taking her to the vet as i took on the responsibility of maintaining her health and happiness when i bought her.


Edited to add - the yak discussion is just gross!! lol
 

roo_71

New Member
Well I try not to be ultra critical of peoples mistakes considering that we all make them. But seeing issues with chameleons that could have easily been preventable is really hard to take and I initially want to jump down their throat.

A good example is this guy at work. At a meeting my hobby came up and he mentioned that he had a Jackson that he kept in a glass tank, let his kids hold it all the time, put it on their head and walked around with it. He said it died of an infection. I was pretty pissed, wanted to tell him the way he took care of it (which was obviously inappropriate) was most likely the cause of the death. I really wanted to stick it to him in front of everybody and make an example of him. I just couldn’t though b/c he was such a nice guy to work with and it would have done more harm then good (if any). And yes a lot of the care instructions he got was from the pet store.

So with said, good people make mistakes and anyone who admits to a mistake and is truly sorry AND wants to take the necessary steps to fully correct their ways, ask questions, etc. deserves attention and a bit of respect.

I think some questions from some members in this forum are a bit lame but I try not assume what they are thinking and maybe they just want hear more opinions on a subject. So as they say the only stupid question is the one not asked.

-roo
 

joseofsa

Member
i say let them have it where it hurts i ask few questions because the search button is all one realy needs on this site.
 

Kazza

New Member
Very true, though admitedly i didn't use the search button much :eek:

Anything that appears to be serious though should have veterinary attention - even if it turns out to be a false alarm.

First thing i did when i got Shiver was to find the nearest cham specialist and register her with them, i've got their emergency out-of-hours number too.

I do worry about not having enough knowledge though i've learnt a heck of a lot off this forum.
 

Sal

New Member
Anything that appears to be serious though should have veterinary attention - even if it turns out to be a false alarm.

I agree but, I think herein lies the problem. I believe people purchase these critters thinking they will be something 'neat to have' as opposed to realising they have taken on responsibility for a living being that has needs and that can get sick or injured. I think another problem is they don't put much thought into caring for them before or after the purchase.

I have been keeping dart frogs and tree frogs for years and have always wanted some chams and after much thought and deliberation I got a baby male and female veiled two weeks ago. I have soaked up every bit of information I can find on them and I am pleased that they both seem to be thriving in their homes. And I'm sure I don't have to tell you the hours I spend in the mornings, evenings, and on weekends caring for, feeding, cleaning for all the critters that I have, nor the amount of $$$$ it requires. I just don't think some people take into account all of this ahead of time and then are simply not willing to do anymore than the bare minimum for their cham.

Roo - I understand your frustration (I feel the same way with regard to the frog forums I am on). But I do hope you realise there are some of us that are good keepers out there that are new to the hobby and are doing everything we can to ensure our chams specific needs are met and that we value them as any other pet - and would take them to the vet just the same as a cat or dog if there were any probs. I appreciate all of the info I have/am learning from this site and if experienced, helpful folks like yourself weren't around, what would be the point of this forum?

I apologise for running on... hope you guys haven't fallen asleep during my novel here! Gonna try to get my pics up this week of Bonnie and Clyde.. they are growing like weeds! :eek:
 

roo_71

New Member
But I do hope you realise there are some of us that are good keepers out there that are new to the hobby and are doing everything we can to ensure our chams specific needs are met and that we value them as any other pet ...

Absolutely dude.

-roo
 
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