Panther "Morph" Pictorial...

Julirs

New Member
Back in 2008 I acquired a very fresh Nosy Be import. He was a typical rough and dirty import, and a deep green.


Here he is several sheds later:


And several more sheds and more than a year later:


So...I breed him to a WC "Nosy" female from a "reputable breeder", and I get these 2 males:


Time goes on and the top one in the above pic looks like this:

And the bottom one starts looking like this:

And today at 1 year and 6 months they look like this...
The top one in the above pic:

And the bottom one:


Makes you think doesn't it? How people could get away with selling impure locales?
 

stevenelvin

New Member
The last pic is insane to me.

I know I'm definitley no expert, but I was almost 100% certain that it had some ambilobe in it's genes... you were right when you said, "Makes you think doesn't it?"

They also look very green. Interesting, I just assumed they were all mostly blue (since thats the only colouration I've seen from them on the forums, breeders websites etc...).
 

Julirs

New Member
You would be right-these are "Nosbilobes" for sure-but it sure is tricky-isn't it? :)

In this case there ended up being a clutch and then a retained clutch. There was 1 surviving male in the first clutch, and here he is (Belongs to forum member Bimac-Pic from 12/2010):

There were 3 surviving males in the retained clutch, the 2 pictured above and then another that resembled the one Bimac owns.
 

stevenelvin

New Member
Very tricky.

I also think I've seen that panther around the forums before, does he have a peice missing from his tail? I think he looks really kool non-the-less.
 

Julirs

New Member
Very tricky.

I also think I've seen that panther around the forums before, does he have a peice missing from his tail? I think he looks really kool non-the-less.
Yes-the girl that owns him posts pics of him every once in awhile. He has a tiny piece of the end of his tail missing thanks to his sister!
 

Scott85

New Member
Just guessing but maybe she was a Nosy Be girl that had a fling with an Amilobe at the exporters holding pen. Then after you got her she was already "fertile" so to speak. Even though you had mated that male, maybe his sperm didn't take because she was carrying? I'm not sure of the timeline involved so not sure if that is even plausible. Or maybe she just got into the wrong cage at some point and became "nosy be". The definately look like they got a lil amilobe in em

Very interesting either way thanks for sharing.
 

Julirs

New Member
She was not gravid and I did not breed her for 4 months after I got her. Not that your scenario is impossible, but I think it is more likely she was either Ambilobe or Nosbilobe herself. :)
 

laurie

Retired Moderator
All I can say is my sister is crazy about the female she has from this pairing. What ever she is She will never leave Lee. She will also never be bred.
 

Motherlode Chameleon

Chameleon Enthusiast
Just a point to mention there are green phase Nosy Be panthers. That's why it is a gamble buying WC females or if buying captive breds the importance of having pictures of at least the male.
 
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Motherlode Chameleon

Chameleon Enthusiast
There used to be two kinds of blue panthers from Nosy Be. The common light sky blue Nosy Be that is seen often and a deep dark blue that is not seen much anymore. I think Greaseball from the Chameleon Company is the closest I have seen recently to the dark blue Nosy Be. Allegedly the dark blue was an over collected phase in the wild and only came from one small region of Nosy Be. The last bit of information is from the Sticky Tongue chameleon video. I have not had the opportunity to travel to Nosy Be to confirm these reports.
 
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Julirs

New Member
This guy came in the same shipment as my guy-he was a dark blue Nosy with dark striping. He was owned by forum member Glittergloomgirl and produced gorgeous pure babies.
 

Motherlode Chameleon

Chameleon Enthusiast
And you realize my male is a WC from Nosy Be, and as you can see he was green and then aged to blue?
Of course he is your chameleon and you would know his colors the best. Seems though he has got some green Nosy Be genetics since when you first imported him he was absolutely more green (displayed a green phenotype) than blue. As well, I have seen a couple of chameleons that had their colors improve with age.
 
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