Panther cham not eating

just also for the future...you need a calcium powder with d3....wich you give him every 2 weeks or so...and a regular calcium without d3(wich you give around 3 times a week)...and a multvit wich you give monthly.and of course your regular gutloading vegies/fruits
 
OOOst16 said:
just also for the future...you need a calcium powder with d3....wich you give him every 2 weeks or so...and a regular calcium without d3(wich you give around 3 times a week)...and a multvit wich you give monthly.and of course your regular gutloading vegies/fruits
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the one i use is the one with D3..i do not have one without d3
That is the one i use about once or twice a week. Sometimes by the time he eats the cricket it's hard to tell how much powder is left on them.
 
here's another question... i was just cleaning out the cage (usual cleaning) and I found a large roach (which i had fed him about a month or two ago for a treat. i had two in his food container, so one must have escaped)...i was told that they walk around at night. could this be stressing my cham out at night when he's trying to sleep? if that's the case, would that be the cause of his weight loss? if he's stressed and not sleeping well?
the weird thing is how did i not find this thing when i cleaned his cage in between? not sure it must have hid under the plant pot.
 
I've got my fingers crossed that Picasso can turn around. She has a vet....she just took him awhile back.

Benny, I am so lucky to have an expert chamelen vet two hours from my house. He has chameleons and all sorts of reptiles of his own. My chameleons are our pets and a big part of our family and I would have to take them to the vet if they were sick. My chams are like my children except for they are nicer and they don't talk back.
 
ok gotcha. well a multyvitamin helps aswell...personaly i dont dust with regular calcium without d3....(thast up for debate aswelll all over)....i gutload with oranges potatoes and apples....but mostly oranges....they have a shiz load of calcium in them...so i have oranges that give cal....a fluker crix gell that gives cal...and the d3 wich gives cal along with the d3....and a mult vit. so therefore hes getting regular calcium from 4 places(oranges.. d3 powde...r multvit wich has cal in it...and calcium cricket gell) and d3 from 2 (uvb and d3 dust)...and i dont feel its nessisary to dust them with cal w/o d3 because ofthe way my gutloading is set up...i dont want to over due it...but to answer your original question ...yes chams can overload on D3...thast why you should only give 2 times a month at the most.( timing per month depends on the Ui/pound...its complicated...but the more d3 Ui/pount there is the less often you need to suplement....the lower the more often you need to suplement....heres an ex...mines 100,000 ui/pound...so i do every 2 weeks...if it was like 5,000-50,000...id do once a week)
 
eisentrauti said:
It's probably a case of problems with the inner organs. Nothing what a vet can heal.
I first thought that the water supply wasn't good enough, but after I read your last post I'm sure that this is not the problem. Your diet seems to be as well not bad. But I can imagine that quantity of the food was too much.
@Jann: I don't know how many vets are there in the USA but here it's pretty hard to get one who has any knowledge about reptiles and amphibians. And even if she can find one I can't imagine that the vet could do here anything
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what's the best quantity of food...i was always told to have about 6 - 10 crickets or worm in his food dish at all times, so that if he want to eat them, he will and if not, then they stay in there for about a day or two or three until he eats them all.
 
The cham wouldn't be 4 years old when there were big problems with the supplementation. The roach is also not the problem.
It could be that the hole process with the vet, bringing him (how long do you need for it ?), the stress during the inspection and the medicaments are the last nails on his' coffin
 
OOOst16 said:
ok gotcha. well a multyvitamin helps aswell...personaly i dont dust with regular calcium without d3....(thast up for debate aswelll all over)....i gutload with oranges potatoes and apples....but mostly oranges....they have a shiz load of calcium in them...so i have oranges that give cal....a fluker crix gell that gives cal...and the d3 wich gives cal along with the d3....and a mult vit. so therefore hes getting regular calcium from 4 places(oranges.. d3 powde...r multvit wich has cal in it...and calcium cricket gell) and d3 from 2 (uvb and d3 dust)...and i dont feel its nessisary to dust them with cal w/o d3 because ofthe way my gutloading is set up...i dont want to over due it...but to answer your original question ...yes chams can overload on D3...thast why you should only give 2 times a month at the most.( timing per month depends on the Ui/pound...its complicated...but the more d3 Ui/pount there is the less often you need to suplement....the lower the more often you need to suplement....heres an ex...mines 100,000 ui/pound...so i do every 2 weeks...if it was like 5,000-50,000...id do once a week)
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so is too much calcium ever a bad thing?
oops never mind..i just read that...u said yes it is
 
yeah i relize there wasnt a prob with supplements i was just tellign her so if she gets a future chameleon. im glad he lived a nice life with you ...and who knows he may pull out of this. im truley not sure if 2 much regular calcium without d3 is a bad thing. but i ddont worry about it becasue of my suplementation and gut load. d3 however can be overdosed
 
That is a lot of D3... You can over dose with calcium, but it a lot harder to do than with D3 and Vit. A. I use a plain calcium dust 4-5 days a week and they're fine. It could possibly just be his time, but it could be other things. I hope for the best, but if things dont go as well as I hope, you can always have an autopsy done for piece of mind. He should only be eating 6-8 crickets 3 or so days a week.
 
eisentrauti said:
The cham wouldn't be 4 years old when there were big problems with the supplementation. The roach is also not the problem.
It could be that the hole process with the vet, bringing him (how long do you need for it ?), the stress during the inspection and the medicaments are the last nails on his' coffin
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well then if the vet will stress him even more, what else can i do?
can it just be because he's 4 yrs old? is this an old age?
i always thought he would live to be 5 to 7 yrs old, but maybe that's more common in veiled chams than it is in panthers?
 
Even water is lethal in a certain dosis. From what I know the chams are able to exude it. Could it be that your cham has any contact with other reptiles (parasites ?)
 
HarleyGirl said:
well then if the vet will stress him even more, what else can i do?
can it just be because he's 4 yrs old? is this an old age?
i always thought he would live to be 5 to 7 yrs old, but maybe that's more common in veiled chams than it is in panthers?
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It's just my advice. If you are sure that your vet has the qualification you can try it. If not save your money.
 
pssh just to ease your mind he onyl gets the d3 2 times a month...all the rest of the calcium is regular
 
eisentrauti said:
Even water is lethal in a certain dosis. From what I know the chams are able to exude it. Could it be that your cham has any contact with other reptiles (parasites ?)
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he only had contact with one female 2 months ago, and she has been checked by a vet...she's fine. other than her, no other chams are ever near him, since I only have the two of them. She lives in a cage in a different room (upstairs).
 
OOOst16 said:
yeah i agree...internal issue here probrably...im sorry...but...you can always fill that cage again...alwasy rember that....you gave him a good life...just prepare.
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i don't know how u guys do it...if i lose him, i would be too hurt to get another...it's sooooo sad when you have to say goodbye. they all have their own personalities...u can never replace them with another
 
HarleyGirl said:
i don't know how u guys do it...if i lose him, i would be too hurt to get another...it's sooooo sad when you have to say goodbye. they all have their own personalities...u can never replace them with another
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I totally agree. If I ever get another pet it will be one that will out live me.
 
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