novice keeper - Veiled in trouble

Aidan43

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I recently, 8 weeks ago, was given the chance to own an apparently healthy male veiled, Kieth, who I was told was about 2yrs old and came with complete mesh viv set up. Eagerly I got him home and studying more closely thought he may well be a she! (Small cask, no spurs I can see) He/she would eat 7 or 8 4th size dusted locust hoppers daily (and more if I kept feeding!) then a fortnight ago just stopped eating but looked fine moved about ok, poop and urate seemed normal.
At this stage I convinced myself he was a she and, though no sign of him/her wanting to, I provided a small laying bin just in case.
After 4 or 5 days I offered a wax-worm or two along with the usual locusts which to my relief seemed to kickstart the appetite again.
This was short lived a few days later she/he deteriorated rapidly, becoming lethargic, uncoordinated and unable to lift his/her keel up off of the branches and feeding ceased again. Finding him/her cold on the viv floor last wednesday I headed to the recommended local vet.
He agreed Kieth most likely was a she and x- rayed to check for both mbd and egg problems. He told me the X-ray indicated bone density was good and confirmed he as a she and that though he believed there was an indication eggs were forming this didn't appear to be the problem at the moment. But nothing else obvious.
She was kept in overnight and syringe fed a few ml of a liquid omnivore food and antibiotics. The next evening I was advised she had put on 4g in weight, was a little stronger and I could take her home if I continued the meds and tried to tempt her to feed with some favourite foods and to bring her back in 48hours if she refuses.
At home 24hrs passed she seemed no stronger and refused to eat, I intervened and placed a waxworm in her mouth. Evening came and antibiotics were due, holding her gently I induced her to open her mouth to take the meds and I noticed the worm was still there - then she gagged and regurgitated 2 more - those she had taken willingly herself several days ago before the visit to the vet! I gave the antibiotics and a few drops of warm water to try keep her hydrated - not that I've ever seen her drink.
I weighed her at 251g
It's now Sunday morning and over 48 hours have passed with no visable improvement and feeling desperate I placed a hopper locust in her jaws - slowly she crunched and swallowed and then ate 3 more! Now 256g . Evening now and despite eating earlier little has changed, she's still lying on the viv floor, (if she climbs she falls so rearranged to have low basking spot) I've just given the meds and a few more drops of water before lights out.

Any advice would be much appreciated?
 

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Seeing how she was unable to digest the food she took willingly and there is substrate on the bottom of the cage, I suspect an impaction.
 
Seeing how she was unable to digest the food she took willingly and there is substrate on the bottom of the cage, I suspect an impaction.

Thanks for your thoughts - Crossed my mind to remove it but I'd never seen her on the floor before this and she was hand fed all her locusts/worms up on the branches above.
Would the X-ray not show impaction? Do most recommend keeping a bare floor?
 
Most of us don't use anything on the bottom or just paper towels for easy cleaning. X-rays should show an impaction but idk what position she was in when you had the last set done. You may need some of her in various positions for it to really show.
 
Can you post the x-ray?
There's something going on with her right shoulder to begin with.
Is she pooping?
She was popping up to the visit to the vet, even continued a little when she wasn't eating.
I haven't got a copy of the X-ray, may be able to get from the vet tomorrow.
She has fallen a few times since becoming ill hense the low down set up now
 
I'm wondering if she's eggbound. Did you see the x-ray?
The vet should have known right away the sex of the chameleon. Males have tarsal spurs and females don't. Males have tall casques... females don't.
 
An adult female should be around 150gm. Lethargy and bloating can be signs. Feeding her while impacted can certainly account for recent weight gain. Food in but nothing out.
 
I'm wondering if she's eggbound. Did you see the x-ray?
The vet should have known right away the sex of the chameleon. Males have tarsal spurs and females don't. Males have tall casques... females don't.
Vet not a 'Cham' expert but best locally with reptiles and highly recommended. (Live on island can't go further afield!) He did say as soon as he saw her he thought she was female as I already suspected. Said X-ray showed two faint grape like bunches forming he suspected were eggs but didn't think formed enough to class as egg bound
 
An adult female should be around 150gm. Lethargy and bloating can be signs. Feeding her while impacted can certainly account for recent weight gain. Food in but nothing out.
That makes her really obese! Will remove substrate and replace with some artificial grass tomorrow.
Assuming something can be done for it are there any none invasive ways to relieve impaction?
 
Vet not a 'Cham' expert but best locally with reptiles and highly recommended. (Live on island can't go further afield!) He did say as soon as he saw her he thought she was female as I already suspected. Said X-ray showed two faint grape like bunches forming he suspected were eggs but didn't think formed enough to class as egg bound
I didn't actually see them
 
That makes her really obese! Will remove substrate and replace with some artificial grass tomorrow.
Assuming something can be done for it are there any none invasive ways to relieve impaction?
Similarly is there if she proves to be eggbound?
 
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