Need suggestions re aged male veiled

megabear

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I recently adopted a magnificent old male veiled chameleon. I say adopted...but I did pay a nominal fee. I got him from a pet store that specializes in reptiles. They were very up front about him..said he was five years old. He was one of their feature animals when they took their reptiles to the school etc. so he's probably had a fairly stressed life for a chameleon. That said...this place takes excellent care of their reptiles and he looks fabulous. I wasn't really in the market for another reptile, but honestly I live in a college town and I thought for the price he was being offered for ($50 for him, his entire set up...large screened cage, light etc); plus...the reptile manager said...if I'd take him, and he should die at any point, they'd cut me a super deal on a young veiled chameleon. I thought if I didn't take him, some college kid would get him (because he is so cool) and he'd be dead in no time....so I took him because I knew I could give him a good home.

I took him home decked out his enclosure with live plants, gave him water (filtered bottled water) on a pump/bubbler. (He drinks a lot...which surprised me). Here's the problem. He is so incedibly slow and tentative when feeding he can hardly catch anything. I ended up squishing a little dog food through the screen at the top of the enclosure right exactly where his favorite branch ends ..so the crickets and flies will stand there on the screen eating right under his nose. He's caught a few unawares..that way; but there is no other way to describe him then slower than molassas. So slow that even with my dog-food trick he doesn't get but a few crickets a day; furthermore he doesn't seem to want to be hand fed. I think next I might trying coolering my crickets so they become slower too. But, I'm runing out of ideas.

You guys have any ideas. This guy (Haggret) looks so awesome and healthy. The guy at the store said, "Hey he's just a grand daddy and he probably has six months left. He also said they observed him spending too much time on the floor and his hand grip was weaker, but, I haven't noticed either of those things. He's always up high unless he comes down to drink at the bubbler. Currently, I have his enclosure out on my deck surrounded by a jungle of plants and covered by a large umbella. He gets just enough sun, lots of fresh air, etc. It's a pretty sweet set up for him. I know he's old, I'd just like to figure out how to get some more protein in him and keep him alive as long as possible.
 
hey man, that was a nice thing you did and bomb deal on everything. unfortunatly, you cant slow down ticking time. if he's old, he's old. just make sure you are giving your crickets the best of gut load, no dog food, fish food (in. flakes) or cat food. give him horn worms for protein. you can find awsome gut load ingredients and ideas on sandrachameleon's blog. also, make sure your supplimentation is balanced monthly with calcium, calcium d3and multivitamite. i suggest rep-cal brand. a vet check-up should be done as well. hope this helps:)

Post pics!
 
There's a great thread here...I can never find it. I can't figure out search terms over 4 letters...the title was something like "life as a dog" (none of those words is searchable) and it describes the wonderful way the longtime owner of a chameleon dealt with the animal's declining years/months. I think it would be very helpful and inspiring for you. I'll keep trying, but hopefully someone will pop in with it.
 
There should not be any water in his cage even with a bubbler. He should be misted and dripped everyday.

Dustin
 
Thank you all for your great replies - and a question

I'm surprised at no water in the cage. Years ago I had Jackson's chameleons and I always had a drip system. Also this guy....when I first set him up and put the running water in ..he drank more than I've ever seen a reptile drink. He stuck his face under the little waterfall and drank for at least a minute straight, literally gulping all the time. Then five or six hours later he did the same thing. He must have been dehydrated. I can't imagine that misting could have provided enough water to rehydrate him.

I'm guess the water in the cage is not recommended due to possible bacteria growth. Obviously, I need to go to the link that was provided and do some reading and brushing up on chameleon care.

Oh...and, I took the advice about giving him some super dusted crickets he took four vitamin dusted large crickets out of my hand today. He was slow and his tongue isn't as sticky as it should be, but we got the job done. That's the most he's eaten since I got him the day before yesterday.
 
I don't think the idea is "no water in the cage", it's "no open water standing in the cage". You should absolutely have a dripper. It should just drip into a container the chameleon cannot possibly get into (drill holes in the bottom of the cage and put the drip pan under them, for example).
 
I had an older cham with problems related to MBD. I put an 18x18x36 screen cage on the side and set it up so the highest point he could get was about 15". Lots of plants and sticks so he always had something to hold on to. On food I switched to non fast moving prey, silkworms, horn worms, crickets with back legs removed, dubia roaches with back legs removed. I had a dripped that dripped into a cool whip container with net over the top so ben would never be able to fall in. Good luck. I have had chams live long after others expected me to lose them.
 
Update - Although the pet store said he'd be dead in 3mths I've keep him alive 2 year

Just wanted to update to my original post from 7/1/2010. The old male chameleon I brought home from the pet store - an animal which was 5 plus years old and had done the kiddie-school circuit with the store -- and who they specifically told me had only three months to live max. (meaning they thought one month) has been alive and kickin' for two years. It's been a challenge for sure, the first thing I notice was that crickets went in and came out in the same condition...so I knew immediately that he was not digesting his food at all. I had a excellent digestive enzyme on hand (which I bought for my family) and I started dusting his crickets with that. It helped enormously; the crickets came out very well processed. He was too old an weak to strike anymore but I found if I could get him to just put his tongue out a bit I could stick a cricket on it and them keep popping them in as he chewed. In this way I've fed him 6-8 crickets a day for two years. LOL it took some real timing, but we've been doing it together so long we've got it down pat. After he ate, I'd squirt a syringe or two of bottled water in his mouth (during his last cricket chews).

I'd make sure he got sunshine for at least part of the day in good weather and I only took him out of the cage when he actively wanted to come out - at which time he'd come to the door and I'd open it and offer my hand. It was a no-stress environment.

Well he's over 7 years old now and hasn't got too much time left on this beautiful planet. Although (right from the beginning) I've had rolled towels all around the tops of the plant container at the bottom of his cage (to keep him from falling and hurting himself) he's been spending more and more time sleeping on the towels...sometimes even upside down. He just can't seem to sleep and grip at the same time anymore. Still, he's eating.

But, alas, I think he's only got a month or less left. The planet will be less beautiful when he's gone. I wish I could figure out how to post a photo...he's an absolute studmuffin. Here's to you Haggrit!
 
What a wonderful story! Have you got any digital photos of him? If you have you can click on the paperclip icon at the top of the reply box and attach them to your post, that's probably the easiest way.

Well done to you and Haggrit!
 
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Thanks I hope I did it right.
 

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This is sucha wonderful story! Wonderful person and he is just so amazing looking for his age. I commend you for taking care of this aging giant
 
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