AnamCara
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broken link? Would like to see the cham lung
Naturalistic hydration - how does it work?
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AnamCara
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WHAAAT.
I was NOT prepared to watch him blow it up. That was incredible. WHAT?!
Nature YOU CRAZY.
Brodybreaux25
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QUOTE="AnamCara, post: 1495002, member: 51740"]
Fighters prefer straight heat to a steam room -- water on hot rocks vs steam out a tube -- and they cut water intake too. They are sweating out without replenishing to cut weight -- and I've fully seen them pass out too.
So -- here is the dumbest questions of all time -- is there no way for them to absorb the moisture other than their lungs? I have always been under the impression that moisture + lungs = bad news bears. I guess I never thought this all the way through
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That’s one of the main reasons I started this thread, I’m struggling to understand the link and why it’s a good thing for chams. Think about it, how many people die every year from pneumonia? What exactly is pneumonia? Fluid in your lungs! I realize there is a huge difference between our lungs and theirs but it’s still perplexing!
Fighters prefer straight heat to a steam room -- water on hot rocks vs steam out a tube -- and they cut water intake too. They are sweating out without replenishing to cut weight -- and I've fully seen them pass out too.
So -- here is the dumbest questions of all time -- is there no way for them to absorb the moisture other than their lungs? I have always been under the impression that moisture + lungs = bad news bears. I guess I never thought this all the way through
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That’s one of the main reasons I started this thread, I’m struggling to understand the link and why it’s a good thing for chams. Think about it, how many people die every year from pneumonia? What exactly is pneumonia? Fluid in your lungs! I realize there is a huge difference between our lungs and theirs but it’s still perplexing!
AnamCara
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That’s one of the main reasons I started this thread, I’m struggling to understand the link and why it’s a good thing for chams. Think about it, how many people die every year from pneumonia? What exactly is pneumonia? Fluid in your lungs! I realize there is a huge difference between our lungs and theirs but it’s still perplexing!QUOTE="AnamCara, post: 1495002, member: 51740"]
Fighters prefer straight heat to a steam room -- water on hot rocks vs steam out a tube -- and they cut water intake too. They are sweating out without replenishing to cut weight -- and I've fully seen them pass out too.
So -- here is the dumbest questions of all time -- is there no way for them to absorb the moisture other than their lungs? I have always been under the impression that moisture + lungs = bad news bears. I guess I never thought this all the way through
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Sh**, after looking at @JacksJill 's lung post -- I can't see how 90% humidity wouldn't be problematic -- considering how warm their temps can get in the wild. After seeing how FREAKING THIN their lungs are just now I'm even more lost. Aren't we talking about animals notorious for RI?
As previously stated, Nature, cray cray.
AnamCara
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I guess I would ask where is the line? fluid passing through is healthy until it accumulates? Seems like the healthy process is the same thing that puts it as risk for stagnation.
All this points to how important airflow is. Saw someone mentioned the latest Chameleon Breeder -- I'll also need a second listen.
cyberlocc
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So that breeder podcast, they mention something I have seen others doing as well.
Misting after lights out, doesn't that rot your plants causing more bacteria in the Viv? The foggers too, the foggers are bacteria Haven's arent they? How often do you guys clean them?
Misting after lights out, doesn't that rot your plants causing more bacteria in the Viv? The foggers too, the foggers are bacteria Haven's arent they? How often do you guys clean them?
Brodybreaux25
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Looks just like bull frog lungs without the membrane webbings.
AnamCara
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I clean my fogger every sunday in a diluted bleach bath then let it dry out completely. I'll be ditching the fogger soon for a humidifier-- and i'll clean that weekly as well.
I'm in Colorado -- so i'm battling the low moisture anyways.
cyberlocc
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Humidifier? To humidify the room? The Foggers is a humidifier. It's a cool mist humidifier, you should not use a Warm mist humidifier.
You have to think of humidity in the air as microscopic particles that enter the lung and some of them touch the membrane and are absorbed. The humidity shouldn't form puddles. It's not dumping a cup of water down the wrong pipe and drowning. Pneumonia is actually fluids leaking into the lungs from the body thru the membrane that has been damaged by infection. It's fluids escaping not entering.
AnamCara
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Should have specified. Yes, cool mist.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C96NK8P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
^^ that one. I am learning that it's better to try to control the room. Thanks @CamoChameleonsHuman.
AnamCara
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Well -- I consistently learn more from these forums than my sci classes. Thanks!
cyberlocc
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Have you tried blocking off 3 sides of the cage? That would help control the humidity. It be alot easier than trying to raise humidity in the room. Depending on the room size that's never going to get anywhere close to the humidity people are saying to have at night.
Brodybreaux25
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Been doing it for quite a while now, no noticeable deterioration in my plants. I’m in southeast Louisiana so it’s pretty much 80-100% RH outside everyday, and my chams do spend a lot of time outside during the summer. I throw the tanks and hose in the dishwasher every month or so but that’s about it.
Chams really are not as fragile as most recreational keepers think, it’s only through bad husbandry that they live up to their fragile reputation. If they truly were as fragile as most people think they would have gone extinct long ago.
Chams really are not as fragile as most recreational keepers think, it’s only through bad husbandry that they live up to their fragile reputation. If they truly were as fragile as most people think they would have gone extinct long ago.
AnamCara
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I have blocked off the sides -- and I plan to continue to at night. Thanks for the input -- I imagine I will try many things to work with my climate / enclosure!
I'm over simplifying quite a bit but you get the idea.
cyberlocc
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If you have blocked off the sides and it's not enough, block off the door. Not the bottom door, just the big opening door. You can buy shower liner that is clear, be sure to wash it. Then you can put it into the door in the screen groves, just like the screen. Get a thick one so its not easy to rip. You will be able to see through it, and it will help the humidity alot. Just use it as a test, and if it works, you could do acrylic in its place that will be harder and look better.
The bottom opening door, staying screen is plenty for ventilation and you can add a fan if you want during the day.
Your heat will likely need adjusted as you will have a more efficient microclimate. It will be more self controlled and less affected by room situation.
Also you said at night. I wouldn't bother with just at night, block 3 sides off permanently. The bottom door is plenty ventilation. All screen cages are great if you live in Florida, however it's not optimal for everyone. Your climate is alot like mine, it's not optimal for us. You will have to make adjustments to husbrandy with the "Glass Like" cage, lessen your misting and adjust temps, but it will be fine.
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