Misting with Cold Air Humidifier

[Decadancin]

@broderp , since your initial post did state drinking opportunity for your chameleon aside, I would think using a humidifier alone to sustain "most" plant life would create an environment that would not allow the best conditions for the chameleon. Basically if you think of the idea of misting the enclosure and then allowing it to "dry out" a bit and let the humidity level drop before misting again to avoid mold and excess bacterial growth, by using a humidifier to keep the plants healthy enough I believe you would create more issues that would be difficult to monitor (not impossible, but not easy). Besides drinking, often chameleons will clean out their eyes with the droplets and this would not be an easy option without misting. I guess you could use a hand mister for some of the issues, but not the most convenient solution for me.

 

[Chris Anderson]

Chris - Do you know where I can find the specifications from Zoo-Med that says this unit is cooling the air being passed by this unit? Cooling = Decreasing temperature. Because you're trying to negate my comment by saying that air-cooling humidifiers are be commercially sold at pet stores.

If I can interject here for a second. I think there is a misunderstanding in here somewhere, even though I love a good fight. The idea of the cool mist humidifier isn't that it is inherently cool. The idea is that it is room temperature as compared to a warm humidifier, like the ones Vicks makes and people utilize when they themselves are sick. The ultrasonic (cool mist) humidifiers are only cool by comparison to their warmer counterparts which produce steam. In theory, the mist is whatever temperature the room is. The humidifier itself doesn't cool the air, or cool the mist it produces. If there is an issue with the use of the word cool, you'd have to take it up with humidifier producing companies, as its just an industry term to differentiate them from the humidifiers that create steam. I'm actually not a huge proponent of either, as I think they promote URIs if you don't clean them enough or treat them with antimicrobial solutions, but that's just my opinion.

Thanks for the clarification on that, PJK. You are absolutely correct. Cool mist and ultrasonic humidifiers produce room-temperature mist/humidity. They are called "cool" as a comparison to warm mist/steam humidifiers.

Chris

 

[Nursemaia]

@JohnnyLawrence
Are you pushing this care sheet because there's a tab that takes you to where you can purchase chams and ultimately you're just trying to make a buck? So really it has nothing to do about offering advice but more about making sales.

 

[JohnnyLawrence]

@JohnnyLawrence
Are you pushing this care sheet because there's a tab that takes you to where you can purchase chams and ultimately you're just trying to make a buck? So really it has nothing to do about offering advice but more about making sales.

I can see why it would come off that way, but absolutely not. I was simply trying to give a resource as I was unaware of the internal resources available elsewhere in this site I could link to.

 

[broderp]

@broderp , since your initial post did state drinking opportunity for your chameleon aside, I would think using a humidifier alone to sustain "most" plant life would create an environment that would not allow the best conditions for the chameleon. Basically if you think of the idea of misting the enclosure and then allowing it to "dry out" a bit and let the humidity level drop before misting again to avoid mold and excess bacterial growth, by using a humidifier to keep the plants healthy enough I believe you would create more issues that would be difficult to monitor (not impossible, but not easy). Besides drinking, often chameleons will clean out their eyes with the droplets and this would not be an easy option without misting. I guess you could use a hand mister for some of the issues, but not the most convenient solution for me.

Thanks for the post. I see your point and I agree. Getting enough moisture in the terrarium from a humidifier (cold air humidifier that is ) that would satisfy the plants would probably resemble a cloud in the terrarium. I work during the week so I'm not home from 7am to 6pm. I need an automated misting solution.

Well crap, unless I can figure a way to channel and measure the humidity to the plants then a mister may be the way to go.

Looks like I have choices:

• Buy a mister - $$$$
• Make a mister $$
• Attempt to channel and reroute the humid air so that it collects and pools in to plant pots. - $$

Well, no one said this would be easy.

 

[Decadancin]

You could always incorporate a dripper in there, but I would still do the misting system.

 

[Nursemaia]

I can see why it would come off that way, but absolutely not. I was simply trying to give a resource as I was unaware of the internal resources available elsewhere in this site I could link to.

That's BS. Multiple members linked you that information and you proceed to argue with them over the validity of it.

 

[JohnnyLawrence]

That's BS. Multiple members linked you that information and you proceed to argue with them over the validity of it.

No, multiple members that have vested interest in this site linked to the care sheet to increase page hits. Once I read it, it did have some good information in there that my source did not include. But I do disagree with several items and its occasional vagueness. If people want to ignore the sources I suggest over internal ones, then that's their choice....not yours OR the employees that work these forums to decide. This all started because I made a complaint about how their customer support is awful. They never responded to a single question I submitted through their support line. Now that I posted a complaint on one of their forums exposing some of the bad advice they give on here, I finally received a response. In fact, they were so enraged I got nothing but attacks. Funny how whoever runs this basic forum spends hours trying to discredit my posts and sending me personal threat messages yet never answers support questions for legitimate problems with their site.

 

[Decadancin]

They never responded a single question I submitted through their support line. Now that I posted a complaint on one of their forums exposing some of the bad advice they give on here, I finally received a response. In fact, they were so enraged I got nothing but attacks. Funny how whoever runs this basic forum spends hours trying to discredit my posts and sending me personal threat messages yet never answers support questions for legitimate problems with their site.

Here is the information that you inquired about and my response...
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/how-does-one-post-on-the-classified-section.156003/

JohnnyLawrence- Anyone know the answer to this question? I've tried to contact this Forum's support line but never get a response.

Decadancin- ???

Do you mean the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page? This won't get an immediate response. Here are the rules for posting on the forums...


The market section is intended for active members looking to buy or sell chameleons and chameleon related products. By using this service you signify your agreement to the rules listed below.


How can I reply to ads?
Members can only reply to their own ads. To contact a seller use email or the private conversation system.

How can I post new ads?
New Members are restricted from posting classified ads. This rule helps curb abuse and commercial spam. All other members are limited as described below.

Ad Limits:
total posts max new ads
New Member: 0 0
Member: 3 2
Established: 4 3
Site Sponsor: 20 15
Note: Limits are per month. A new ad also counts as a post.

Membership levels...

New Member
Participate in forum discussions and create your own media album.

Member
Vote in contests, post on member profiles, add a signature, create classified ads, create a blog and receive more gallery space.

Established
Interact with resources and advanced features (coming 2017), post more classified ads, create more blogs and get additional gallery space.


With your current status as New Member you do not currently have the ability to post in the Classified Section. This is done to prevent people creating profiles just to advertise here. The Chameleon Forums is primarily a resource site for those in the hobby, and although the classifieds are part of the site, it would become the place for spam and unwanted advertising. With more activity including posts and trophy points you can quickly advance to the next level of membership.

Hope this helps...


JohnnyLawrence- Yes, partially! How does a new Member become a "Member"?

Virgi1972- Its based off trophy points.

Decadancin- Yep! Trophy points are acquired through more posts that lead to likes and milestones. It doesn't take long at all.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/help/trophies

The list of trophies should give you an idea of how to achieve them.

Here is the post I responded to...

JohnnyLawrence- The problem is that what justifies something being posted in this new "area of expertise"? I can say that 90% of the advice given on hear by so-called experts are wrong or insufficient. Also, you mention getting an appointment with a Vet? Yah, I know more than every Vet I've ever visited, so that does absolutely nothing unless you know for a fact that they're going to a qualified veterinarian with a history of experience with Chameleons specifically. I see so many people BLINDLY just advising people to go see a Vet. This is just as dangerous as misinformation. Most Vets will take your money without actually solving the root cause. Then the Pet Owner gets upset and disinterested after shelling out hundreds of dollars (double what their pet cost) on useless Vet services. A Forum won't solve that....
#7JohnnyLawrence, Yesterday at 6:15 PM

My response...

Decadancin- This forum is comprised of all types of people from pure novice to actual vets and scientists, breeders and hobbyists. To say that 90% of advice given is wrong or insufficient is a complete generalization and not founded in anything but your opinion. Also, so-called-experts is your term. I have not seen anyone call themselves experts. That term is earned. If you know more than every vet you ever visited, then I'm not sure why you need a vet. Each and every time I advise someone to seek the help of a vet it is due to the educated guess by me that this is something the OP likely can not handle on their own. I also advise that they are sure the vet is experienced with chameleons, not just reptiles. If not, perhaps a great bird vet could be helpful. Worst case scenario I advise the keeper to bring a copy of the caresheets with them for the vet to look at. When people do advise to see a vet, often times others will advise to make sure they have experience with these animals. A forum may not solve everything, but for someone new to the hobby it just may set them on the proper course to be successful and maybe, just maybe that forum member can help others by sharing their experiences.

This is not an attack on you, but you have been a member of this forum since August 2016 with 23 messages so far, and at least 11 from today. I know nothing of your experience with chameleons and don't know how much you may have been lurking or reading posts, but I can't tell you how often members advise people that they can help them find a good vet with chameleon experience.

A Forum isn't the only resource, but this one has more experienced keepers than other sources that I know.

@JohnnyLawrence , you were not treated any differently than any other member on this forum. You received your answer in the site assistance forum. If you had looked through the site rules when you first signed up on this site back in August of 2016 you would have seen your answer there, but I gave you the information and actually showed you in the post.
You did not post a complaint, as you state, but stated that 90% of the advice given here is wrong or insufficient, and then proceeded to use a link in multiple threads that was not accurate or detailed enough. This is why you got the responses you did. From that moment on your demeanor and attitude has become unacceptable and another site Moderator PRIVATELY informed you that this was not acceptable. YOU then decided that you would bring that into the public forums and continued your inappropriate behavior.

If this site is not to your liking, then you can go elsewhere. If your activities continue the way they are, I will help you go elsewhere. Everyone is welcome here on this site, until they act in violation of the Forum rules. You are not being singled out.

Any further attempts to engage in personal attacks will result in warnings and infraction points.
Members must show respect for others at all times. This is crucial to maintaining a friendly environment. There are no exceptions.

Chameleon Forums uses a warning and infraction system to deal with rule violations and disruptive behavior. Warnings are usually given for first time minor offenses and infractions are given for repeat offenses or more serious issues. Each infraction has an associated number of points depending on its severity, and a member can be suspended or banned if they accumulate enough of them. Infractions expire after 90 days. If you are given a warning or infraction by a moderator you are expected to heed their instruction. Please do not take this personally. If you think the moderators have been unfair then please contact an administrator directly.
10 points = Account suspended for 3 days.
20 points = Account suspended for 10 days.
25 points = Account permanently banned.

You have now been given warning by two Moderators and we have been more than patient with you. As Chris stated earlier, I hope you will adhere to the rules and decide to be a respectful member here, but the choice is yours.

 

[Chris Anderson]

No, multiple members that have vested interest in this site linked to the care sheet to increase page hits. Once I read it, it did have some good information in there that my source did not include. But I do disagree with several items and its occasional vagueness. If people want to ignore the sources I suggest over internal ones, then that's their choice....not yours OR the employees that work these forums to decide. This all started because I made a complaint about how their customer support is awful. They never responded to a single question I submitted through their support line. Now that I posted a complaint on one of their forums exposing some of the bad advice they give on here, I finally received a response. In fact, they were so enraged I got nothing but attacks. Funny how whoever runs this basic forum spends hours trying to discredit my posts and sending me personal threat messages yet never answers support questions for legitimate problems with their site.

Employees? Vested Interest? Customer support? Support line? I think you have the wrong idea of what this is. This is a resource that is provided free of charge to the community. Money from the sponsors goes to hosting the site, developing it, maintaining and improving the software, covering contests with prizes for the members, etc. The moderators don't get paid and are not employees, we volunteer to babysit people like you, solely to maintain it as a positive environment for everyone else. The only vested interest the moderators have in this site is our interest and desire to maintain a positive and interactive source of information, encourage the accurate spread of information, and prevent people like you from messing it up.

What complaint are you talking about? Do you mean the thread you posted in the site assistance subforum where you asked why you couldn't post in the classifieds section (https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/how-does-one-post-on-the-classified-section.156003/ )? The one you got a reply from in less than 30 minutes? I can only assume you had previously sent a message through the site's "Contact Us" feature, which goes to the site's owner and obviously is not monitored as closely as you demand as a customer, who isn't paying for anything or doing anything to benefit the community. The Site Assistance subforum is there to help with those questions so that issues members have can be addressed quickly by whomever happens to be around volunteering their time.

Regardless, none of this started because of that post, as you claim. It started because you started making rude, personal attacks toward the moderators and other members filled with a variety of insults and in general behaving in a purposely inflammatory manner. All the while you claim everyone else is giving out bad information, as you post information that is completely inaccurate, post links to questionable information, and fly off the handle when people point it out.

These didn't result in attacks, as you claim. In fact, the moderator who first tried to deal with you was incredibly patient. Eventually, you started receiving warnings, which give infraction points for violating the site rules and as part of the software of the site issue messages to inform you of those infractions with details of what you did wrong. You've gotten 6 of those in less then 12 hours, not because you're being attacked, but because you're acting like a spoiled child. I most definitely have better things to do with my day then go around babysitting you, but rather than just ban you, I took the time out of my day to give you a chance to correct your behavior.

Now, this is going to be the absolute last warning I give you. If you post a single thing bitching about how piss poor this free service (that you have done nothing to contribute to but just want access to posting in the classifieds on) is, or post a single thing continuing to act like a rude, arrogant, condescending little jerk, you're not getting the 3-day ban you're one warning away from, you're getting a permanent ban. Walk away and act like a freaking adult.

Chris

 

[JohnnyLawrence]

Employees? Vested Interest? Customer support? Support line? I think you have the wrong idea of what this is. This is a resource that is provided free of charge to the community. Money from the sponsors goes to hosting the site, developing it, maintaining and improving the software, covering contests with prizes for the members, etc. The moderators don't get paid and are not employees, we volunteer to babysit people like you, solely to maintain it as a positive environment for everyone else. The only vested interest the moderators have in this site is our interest and desire to maintain a positive and interactive source of information, encourage the accurate spread of information, and prevent people like you from messing it up.

What complaint are you talking about? Do you mean the thread you posted in the site assistance subforum where you asked why you couldn't post in the classifieds section (https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/how-does-one-post-on-the-classified-section.156003/ )? The one you got a reply from in less than 30 minutes? I can only assume you had previously sent a message through the site's "Contact Us" feature, which goes to the site's owner and obviously is not monitored as closely as you demand as a customer, who isn't paying for anything or doing anything to benefit the community. The Site Assistance subforum is there to help with those questions so that issues members have can be addressed quickly by whomever happens to be around volunteering their time.

Regardless, none of this started because of that post, as you claim. It started because you started making rude, personal attacks toward the moderators and other members filled with a variety of insults and in general behaving in a purposely inflammatory manner. All the while you claim everyone else is giving out bad information, as you post information that is completely inaccurate, post links to questionable information, and fly off the handle when people point it out.

These didn't result in attacks, as you claim. In fact, the moderator who first tried to deal with you was incredibly patient. Eventually, you started receiving warnings, which give infraction points for violating the site rules and as part of the software of the site issue messages to inform you of those infractions with details of what you did wrong. You've gotten 6 of those in less then 12 hours, not because you're being attacked, but because you're acting like a spoiled child. I most definitely have better things to do with my day then go around babysitting you, but rather than just ban you, I took the time out of my day to give you a chance to correct your behavior.

Now, this is going to be the absolute last warning I give you. If you post a single thing bitching about how piss poor this free service (that you have done nothing to contribute to but just want access to posting in the classifieds on) is, or post a single thing continuing to act like a rude, arrogant, condescending little jerk, you're not getting the 3-day ban you're one warning away from, you're getting a permanent ban. Walk away and act like a freaking adult.

Chris

This free service is absolutely PISS POOR!!!

 

[Chris Anderson]

This free service is absolutely PISS POOR!!!

And you're gone.

 

[Decadancin]

Thank you Chris, I was about to do this in the other thread where he is asking for a member's address.

 

[trickedoutbiker]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Dude has no idea who he is talking to.... Chris Anderson definitely knows his stuff when it comes to chameleons. I'd bet my bottom dollar on that.

Walk away and act like a freaking adult.

And you're gone.

THANK YOU CHRIS! I was literally about to beg for you to ban him. I've never seen someone act like that on an online forum, EVER! And I go to a lot of forums! THANKS SO MUCH!!!!

This place is for education, not bickering. Enough was enough. Can we please delete all of his comments everywhere and get this thread on topic?

 

[Virgil1972]

Poor @broderp I don't think this is the only thread of his that went to hell

 

[Decadancin]

Can we please delete all of his comments everywhere and get this thread on topic?

Unfortunately, that would not be something I would feel comfortable doing. This forum is not run in a way that deletes threads and posts lightly. If the OP decides that the thread has gotten out of control, they can post a new one to clear the confusion and we could lock this one. (That goes for all the other ones effected. Just send me a PM that you started a new one and I'll lock the existing.)

 

[trickedoutbiker]

Unfortunately, that would not be something I would feel comfortable doing. This forum is not run in a way that deletes threads and posts lightly. If the OP decides that the thread has gotten out of control, they can post a new one to clear the confusion and we could lock this one. (That goes for all the other ones effected. Just send me a PM that you started a new one and I'll lock the existing.)

Totally understandable. Just hate seeing the negativity but at least its done now!

 

[alphakenc]

Barking at the wrong tree Johnny boy.....he needs angry management class!!

 

[Lazereth]

The moderators don't get paid and are not employees, we volunteer to babysit people like you, solely to maintain it as a positive environment for everyone else.

 

[broderp]

This free service is absolutely PISS POOR!!!

And you're gone.

THIS IS PRICELESS!!!

Poor @broderp I don't think this is the only thread of his that went to hell

Yeah, he really screwed with a few of them. I'm having a baby panther being shipped to me next week (from a sight sponsor ) and even though I have cared for a cham for about 5 years now, I really want to step up my game. This crap that "scooby doo" man stirred up really frustrated me.

Unfortunately, that would not be something I would feel comfortable doing. This forum is not run in a way that deletes threads and posts lightly. If the OP decides that the thread has gotten out of control, they can post a new one to clear the confusion and we could lock this one. (That goes for all the other ones effected. Just send me a PM that you started a new one and I'll lock the existing.)

I will start a new thread, I hope it will draw interest after all this. Please lock this down. PM sent.