Ace
Avid Member
Really?!?!
that would be awsome, but since you won, you deserrve it, im sure with "paperwork" you can work something out?no you cant just have one, but at least you have one, i would like to get my first someday
Melleri Egg Laying!!
- Thread starter chams1
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Really?!?!
that would be awsome, but since you won, you deserrve it, im sure with "paperwork" you can work something out?no you cant just have one, but at least you have one, i would like to get my first someday
Jimturner
Established Member
Well... I don't really think there is a prize… except for chams1… a GREAT looking batch of eggs!! But Ace, you should get yourself on the list cause you never know when the opportunity for real captive hatched babies will come around again! I'm pretty stoked… hopefully someday I'll make a similar post. Cheers!
CleaTheChameleon
New Member
Wow! Congratulations!!
I'm really happy for you!
I to think that you may get luckier with these eggs!
Hopefully no heat wave this time.
Btw....please please x 1000000...put me on the list (;
I'm really happy for you!
I to think that you may get luckier with these eggs!
Hopefully no heat wave this time.
Btw....please please x 1000000...put me on the list (;
Cainschams
New Member
Congrats!! They are nice and white but do melleri eggs always have the dents?
SSimsswiSS
Avid Member
I think the dents are from being laid out of soil/medium. Should plump back up, if collected and placed in medium quickly.
chams1
Member
Thanks so much everyone for the well-wishes!! While I'm not "counting my eggs before they hatch", I am sure keeping my fingers crossed for this bunch. The last bunch all perished at birth (they pipped and some started to come out of their eggs, but none of them made it) and these eggs look even better at the time of laying than the last bunch, so I am very hopeful.
No, they are not supposed to have the dents (as you can see in the picture). There are 3 that had dents, but that's because she walked on them. They probably wouldn't have been that way had she laid them in her bin like she was supposed to.
Hopefully, during growth (if any), they will work themselves out. I have seen that happen before with some panther eggs I had.
As for a list, I am not starting one just yet. There was one last time and we all know how that turned out. Again with the counting the eggs theory.... However, there are several of you I know will want one so rest assured.
No, they are not supposed to have the dents (as you can see in the picture). There are 3 that had dents, but that's because she walked on them. They probably wouldn't have been that way had she laid them in her bin like she was supposed to.
Hopefully, during growth (if any), they will work themselves out. I have seen that happen before with some panther eggs I had.As for a list, I am not starting one just yet. There was one last time and we all know how that turned out. Again with the counting the eggs theory.... However, there are several of you I know will want one so rest assured.
Cainschams
New Member
Yeah, that is what I figured. I just think I remember seeing others with eggs dented. Maybe my mind is playing tricks
Why are chams always such a PITA??
Ive had panther eggs dent a little because the vermiculite got a little too dry and them hatch. Glad to hear it is only a few though!! Good luck
chams1
Member
Why are chams always such a PITA??
I know, right? Why can't all this stuff be textbook??
fluxlizard
Avid Member
Good luck! Keeping fingers crossed for you!
Lloyd Heilbrunn
Member
Thanks so much everyone for the well-wishes!! While I'm not "counting my eggs before they hatch", I am sure keeping my fingers crossed for this bunch. The last bunch all perished at birth (they pipped and some started to come out of their eggs, but none of them made it) and these eggs look even better at the time of laying than the last bunch, so I am very hopeful.
No, they are not supposed to have the dents (as you can see in the picture). There are 3 that had dents, but that's because she walked on them. They probably wouldn't have been that way had she laid them in her bin like she was supposed to.
As for a list, I am not starting one just yet. There was one last time and we all know how that turned out. Again with the counting the eggs theory.... However, there are several of you I know will want one so rest assured.
I have a suggestion for you since you have had eggs before which had problems during incubation.
When I was trying to learn how to incubate a species known to be difficult(not a Cham, but that should not matter), and had a lot of eggs, I split the clutches and tried different methods: one group in perlite, standard wetness, one group in perlite and sand, very dry but over water, one group in vermiculite, and one group in sphagnum.
Worth a thought, to avoid putting all your eggs in one basket.
Good Luck!!
chams1
Member
I have a suggestion for you since you have had eggs before which had problems during incubation.
When I was trying to learn how to incubate a species known to be difficult(not a Cham, but that should not matter), and had a lot of eggs, I split the clutches and tried different methods: one group in perlite, standard wetness, one group in perlite and sand, very dry but over water, one group in vermiculite, and one group in sphagnum.
Worth a thought, to avoid putting all your eggs in one basket.
Good Luck!!
I did this last time, as was noted in my earlier threads (I think I posted the link). I am hoping to do this again this time. I am going to keep part of them somewhere else (i.e. slightly different conditions but still along the same lines because the parameters are so vague), part of them in a newer incubator (which I did not do last time), and the other part in the same manner I did last time (i.e. downstairs closet). I believe I figured out what went wrong last time and have, hopefully, corrected the issue.
pinocchiosmommy
New Member
Congrats! I hope you have good luck with this batch! When they start hatching, I wanna see tons of pictures
Lloyd Heilbrunn
Member
OK, I just read your other hatching thread. I'll try to find the one setting forth your methods.
I personally like perlite or perlite/sand if I suspect I've been keeping them too wet, instead of vermiculite. The larger granules are good for air circulation,too.
For the perlite I bury them half to three-quarters and use a rubbermaid with minimal ventilation, I open about once a week. As normal the perlite should be just enough wet to clump, but I do allow it to get dryer and just wet minimally about once a month.
But for perlite/sand I just rest them on top ie not buried, but I use larger than normal ventilation holes in the rubbermaid, and put the whole thing in a Styrofoam chest with about 3 inches of water on the bottom, suspended over the water on two ceramic bowls. The thought is to get good humidity without the eggs themselves being very wet. The perlite/sand should be about half as wet as above.
Just some thoughts on the possible alternate methods for you.
Edit: OK, I found your other threads. I would recommend that this time you keep them on different substate thru the end process and don't switch.
chams1
Member
As it turns out, I don't believe my problem at the very end was the substrate choice. They did just fine whether it was the perlite or the vermiculite (although truth be known, I hate working with perlite). The problem at the end was the heat wave we had. All of the humidity got sucked out of the air from the central air coming on and I didn't compensate. This time I am using different containers which will help keep more humidity in this time, too.
Edit: The problem with the last bunch was not during incubation itself, but rather the hatching process.
Edit: The problem with the last bunch was not during incubation itself, but rather the hatching process.
Lloyd Heilbrunn
Member
So you think they dried out as they were hatching? Did you keep the containers open once they pipped? Were they subjected to a bad temp spike during hatching before the AC went on?
Because I don't understand how the AC could dry out inside the sealed rubbermaids....
And please understand, anything I suggest is not to be interpreted as criticism.
BTW, dead in the egg problems in snakes(unrelated to incubation), are thought by breeders to be linked to:
1 Poor prenatal parental nutrition.
2 Parents past optimal breeding age.
Don't know if Cham breeders have had similar findings.
Because I don't understand how the AC could dry out inside the sealed rubbermaids....
And please understand, anything I suggest is not to be interpreted as criticism.
BTW, dead in the egg problems in snakes(unrelated to incubation), are thought by breeders to be linked to:
1 Poor prenatal parental nutrition.
2 Parents past optimal breeding age.
Don't know if Cham breeders have had similar findings.
