Help! She's Dying!

[kgallego]

I have a 1.5 yr old female Nosy Be. She's laid 3 clutches of eggs and is due to lay her 4th. The last 2 days she has been deteriorating fast.

All of her feeding, watering, housing, lighting, supplementation, etc. is appropriate - I'm a very experienced chameleon keeper, but I have never seen this before.

She has been holding her mouth partially open. She has plenty of water, so she shouldnt be dehydrated, unless she's not drinking because she's sick.

Here's some pics, any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't know how much longer she's going to survive.

 

[NikTrollbert]

Vet

You should go see a vet

 

[SaintJimmy]

I would say for now -- try to keep her as warm as you can, and try to get her to drink just a little at least.

If you cannot get her to a reptile vet immediately, just try to do that until you can. Poor girl.

 

[ChamMan7]

Has she been bred four times or has she laid four infertile clutches? Being bred four even three times at 1.5 months is a little extreme and my guess is that fourth clutch that's coming is really not doing her any favors.. First thought should be to get her to a vet.

 

[kgallego]

Has she been bred four times or has she laid four infertile clutches? Being bred four even three times at 1.5 months is a little extreme and my guess is that fourth clutch that's coming is really not doing her any favors.. First thought should be to get her to a vet.

1.5 years

She has been bred 4 times in the past 9 months and layed 3 clutches of eggs - the first clutch has already hatched. She's gravid with the 4th now.

The vet can't see her for a few days. Unless I come up with some good ideas from folks on here, she's **** out of luck

 

[ChamMan7]

1.5 years

She has been bred 4 times in the past 9 months and layed 3 clutches of eggs - the first clutch has already hatched. She's gravid with the 4th now.

The vet can't see her for a few days. Unless I come up with some good ideas from folks on here, she's **** out of luck

Sorry I meant 1.5 years.. Not months.. But I can now see where her problem is. 4 times in 9 months is an insane amount. I doubt that at this point there is much you can do.

That's like a 15 year old human having 4 kids in four years...

 

[Olimpia]

Not even as an emergency? Because it might be some really serious complication regarding the eggs (like a ruptured egg leading to sepsis, ruptured uterus, egg-binding, etc.) and that really should trump the vet's other appointments for the day.

She looks bad, poor girl, so that's why I think it's something really life-threatening. I'd call the vet again and stress that it's a really serious emergency.

 

[ChamMan7]

Not even as an emergency? Because it might be some really serious complication regarding the eggs (like a ruptured egg leading to sepsis, ruptured uterus, egg-binding, etc.) and that really should trump the vet's other appointments for the day.

She looks bad, poor girl, so that's why I think it's something really life-threatening. I'd call the vet again and stress that it's a really serious emergency.

Exactly, quite a few risks that come along with power breeding females.

 

[deerharvester]

I agree emergency trip to the vet. I think a lot of people should pay attention to this when trying to breed. Make sure not to over feed, watch temps and so forth with their females. I hope she pulls through for you. Good luck.

Scott

 

[deadhd5]

Really, sh*** out of luck?

 

[tagerlilly18]

Really, sh*** out of luck?

I was feeling the same.... Like they're living animals who we as the human are supposed to care for and protect not treat like something that's disposable. Especially since from what I was reading it was caused by the over breeding which you were responsible for. So its you who are "out of luck" and her who has to suffer form your mistakes.

 

[ChamMan7]

Really, sh*** out of luck?

Exactly what I was looking at in his response…

For a member who is so "experienced", you would think they would know that making their females crank out 4 clutches starting at six months old would kill them. Well, i guess now he knows that and his little girls just Sh*** out of luck.

 

[cambech]

Sorry I meant 1.5 years.. Not months.. But I can now see where her problem is. 4 times in 9 months is an insane amount.

Agreed. poor girl.

 

[kgallego]

Sorry I meant 1.5 years.. Not months.. But I can now see where her problem is. 4 times in 9 months is an insane amount. I doubt that at this point there is much you can do.

That's like a 15 year old human having 4 kids in four years...

Exactly, quite a few risks that come along with power breeding females.

Let me clarify a few things ChamMan7: I bred her in July 2013. She was 1 year old at that time (technically she is 20 months old). She laid her first clutch in late August. I did not breed her again. She laid her second clutch in late November. I did not breed her again. She laid her third clutch in late February. I bred her the Second time in mid March. She has technically only be "Bred" twice, but she's pregnant with her 4th clutch of eggs. I don't know if you can call it "Power Breeding" if she has 3 clutches after being bred once.?.?.?

I get the gist that you think I have been irresponsible with her - which is incorrect. I waited until she was 1 year old before breeding her, and didn't put a male in with her a second time until 8 months later.

I'm asking for help from the Chameleon Community on advice to save this poor girls life. I don't care for your judgmental BS right now. If you have something to say helpful, then I'd love to hear it. If you're on here to criticize, please feel free to exercise your right to remain silent.

Really, sh*** out of luck?

I certainly hope she's not **** out of luck. Poor girl - I'm trying to do anything I can to help her. Luckily the vet opened up a time for me this afternoon.

 

[kgallego]

I was feeling the same.... Like they're living animals who we as the human are supposed to care for and protect not treat like something that's disposable. Especially since from what I was reading it was caused by the over breeding which you were responsible for. So its you who are "out of luck" and her who has to suffer form your mistakes.

Same to you. I'm trying to save this poor little cham. If you can't offer any helpful information, and you're here to judge and criticize, then keep quiet.

 

[kgallego]

I was feeling the same.... Like they're living animals who we as the human are supposed to care for and protect not treat like something that's disposable. Especially since from what I was reading it was caused by the over breeding which you were responsible for. So its you who are "out of luck" and her who has to suffer form your mistakes.

You're taking what I said out of context. I love my chams. **** out of luck only means that I'm out of ideas to help her, not that I don't care about her.

 

[cambech]

Let me clarify a few things ChamMan7: I bred her in July 2013. She was 1 year old at that time (technically she is 20 months old). She laid her first clutch in late August. I did not breed her again. She laid her second clutch in late November. I did not breed her again. She laid her third clutch in late February. I bred her the Second time in mid March. She has technically only be "Bred" twice, but she's pregnant with her 4th clutch of eggs. I don't know if you can call it "Power Breeding" if she has 3 clutches after being bred once.?.?.?

I get the gist that you think I have been irresponsible with her - which is incorrect. I waited until she was 1 year old before breeding her, and didn't put a male in with her a second time until 8 months later.

I'm asking for help from the Chameleon Community on advice to save this poor girls life. I don't care for your judgmental BS right now. If you have something to say helpful, then I'd love to hear it. If you're on here to criticize, please feel free to exercise your right to remain silent.



I certainly hope she's not **** out of luck. Poor girl - I'm trying to do anything I can to help her. Luckily the vet opened up a time for me this afternoon.

but after she lays three straight clutches of eggs you wait a month and breed her again? that's crazy! those three clutches probably took every bit of energy, fat and calcium she had in her to put forth and then without significant time to recoup she has to do it all over again.

 

[kgallego]

but after she lays three straight clutches of eggs you wait a month and breed her again? that's crazy! those three clutches probably took every bit of energy, fat and calcium she had in her to put forth and then without significant time to recoup she has to do it all over again.

Her last clutch was a bunch of infertile eggs. They were all shrivled and less than half as many eggs.

Her second clutch was, only 1/3 of them were fertile.

She was in great health when she was bred the second time.

 

[Olimpia]

I'm glad the vet was able to squeeze you in!

 

[cambech]

Her last clutch was a bunch of infertile eggs. They were all shrivled and less than half as many eggs.

Her second clutch was, only 1/3 of them were fertile.

She was in great health when she was bred the second time.

I understand. It's just a lot to got through for a female to lay one clutch(even an infertile one). I'm not calling out your methods. I just don't agree with the immediate breeding of her again so early.

We're here to help if we can.

I hope you're vet visit is helpful. please let us know how it all goes.