Going to Purchase a Panther This weekend..

Shalamar

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A couple months ago, I was visiting/participating in the 'grand opening' of a pair of stores not too far from where I live. One of the stores is a Reptile shop. The owner sells Lizards, fish, frogs, snakes and the like.

I've always liked Chameleons (Though I never owned one) and was admiring the juveniles that were in stock. I was informed about the basic needs, and that they were Panther Chameleons. I was even offered the chance to hold one, which I took.

The Chameleon I could tell was not overtly thrilled at resting on my hand, and eyes everyone around him, as if we were going to eat him. Though he never gaped, or bit. When he was picked up to be placed back in his cage, he became very agitated and tried to grab back at my hand, so he was returned to his perch. He gaped at the owner, darkened up clearly displeased. He then promptly ran up my arm, and up my neck to perch on the top of my head.

At that point, my wife and I decided we needed one. We did not purchase that day, though we did pick up a cage (18x18x36) so we could have everything set up.

My wife and I did a lot of research (which led me here) to see what the needs are. Currently, the setup has a Reptiglo 5.0 bulb, and a 75 watt heat lamp both on top of the cage. The Basking spot is currently set to 90 degrees, with the rest of the cage being in the mid to low 70's. A pair of live plants (Chameleon safe!) have been added as well.

I also purchased a Mist King system to help provide a constant humidity level. Complete with the timer and zip-drip system. The lamps have a timer, they currently come on at 8am, and turn off at 8pm. I may adjust this to turn on at 7am, so he's awake when I feed him the morning (Gut loading the crickets before I go to bed the previous evening)

The Mist King is set on a timer, while I watch the humidity levels. I've been adjusting the timing as needed. Right now, the Misting fires up at 8am, 11am, 2pm, 5pm, and 8pm for a duration of 22 seconds each time. (Both my wife and I work during the day, so we want to ensure that he's well hydrated and comfortable). I am leaning towards increasing the duration again for a couple of the settings for a much longer burst, and adding a couple shorter bursts to keep humidity high.

The setup was done early to monitor everything, as the last thing we want is to try and 'fix' something when it is too late. We will also likely add a simple drop system to help with hydration and humidity. Also in the plans is a 24x24x48 cage when the chameleon is a little older.

We're pretty sure we've done everything right. He'll have heat, water, humidity, food. A couple nice plants (Which are growing quite well), and some vines to perch and climb on. The Pothos will be nice for him to hide, or cool down.

Any other suggestions?
 
Welcome to the forums. How old is the panther that you are going to buy? You will need to lower the basking temps. Even an adult panther should bask at 85 and a younger one even a bit lower. You could try using a 60 watt or a 40 watt bulb to lower the temps. I'm attaching a blog to give you some information for your new cham to help keep him healthy. Let us know anytime you have any questions and post plenty of pictures once you get him.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html
 
Hi
So nice to read about someone who is doing their research and getting things right from the start! well done!

How old is the panther you're thinking of getting? Your basking spot may be too hot. 90F is about the max you'd want for an adult. I keep mine at less than that.

Is the reptiglo a CFL or a linear tube?

Are you familiar with calcium etc supplementing needs?

You may find these blog entries useful to your research:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/75-feeder-nutrition-gutloading.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/65-supplements.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/92-hydration-importance-water.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/ryan-jarosek/119-new-arrival-bringing-home.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/56-chameleon-related-websites.html
 
I've read a lot of conflicting info on basking temps. Anything from 85 to 95. I will adjust to a different bulb, or just adjust the current bulb to make the basking spot to about 85.

Age of the Cham will probably be around 6 months. I am unsure however. As for the supplements, I am quite aware. I've read the blogs on the site, and I have a shopping list o take with me. Store owner said he provides the initial supplements free
with purchase of the Cham. A good thing in my mind.

Oh yes. The repltiglo is a -linear- tube. I read the horror stories about the cfls.
 
Looks like you did a lot of great researching before hand, and sounds like the store owner knows what they're talking about too.

I would up the misting times slightly, I use 1 minute and 1.5 minute bursts which soak the plants completely.

Definitely looks like you and your wife are on the right path.
 
Well, I went to go purchase my Chameleon today, and the results were mixed.

The store owner had one Juvenile left, and he took him out of the cage for me to hold, and look over. That is when I noticed two things. One, he was very dark, and two, one of his eyes were closed. I mentioned this, and the owner took a good look. At first, he thought that perhaps the cham has a piece of shed in his eye, and it was irritating him. Turns out, it may be pus, and I said I was uncomfortable trying to care care of a possibly sick or injured chameleon. I'm no expert, not even a well informed amateur.

So, he offered me a deal on one of his 2 year old Panthers. I held him for a while, and well, he won me over. I've named him Ackbar, and he's currently exploring his enclosure, and drinking off of the leaves.

Crickets and all supplements are available for him now as well. It does mean that I'll have to get a larger cage sooner than later though.

I'll post some pictures when he's settled in a bit more.
 
If the store was trying to sell a sickly baby, not sure what the adult looks like. Please post pictures.
 
I will never buy from a pet store again, breeders on this site/sponsors is where its at. I had a veiled from petco and he would just sit and not move much. I then found this forum and saw the awesome coloration of panthers. I immediately took the veiled back and purchased an ambanja from tikitikireptiles.com. I noticed how healthy and active he was. You may pay a bit more $$ (or less) but its usually for a proven bloodline and you can be sure your chameleon was raised right. not to mention, customer support. Ryan from tikitikireptiles answers my questions within 15 mins and never has a problem helping. Most petstore employees... well... lol.
 
If the store was trying to sell a sickly baby, not sure what the adult looks like. Please post pictures.

Here you go.

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Well, He spent his first day roaming his cage, getting into nooks and crannies.

He tried to get out once, when I needed to adjust the cage, but I gently put him back in. He drank whenever the mister fired up. He was fed before I bought him, so I'm waiting until tomorrow to give him his first crickets.
 
What locale is he? To me he looks like an ambilobe or maybe an ambanja... He looks okay for about a two year old .... Post more pics !!!:D
 
What locale is he? To me he looks like an ambilobe or maybe an ambanja... He looks okay for about a two year old .... Post more pics !!!:D

He's a cross, and the owner of the store wasn't quite sure which ones.. As he put it 'The breeder got lazy'.
 
syn is right.

to me it looks like your cham might have Metabolic Bone Disease. it is a calcium deficiency or not enough uvb lighting.
 
I was told he had shed recently. Hrm.

I am terribly unsure what that has to do with anything, other than a different color.

Normally buying an unhealthy chameleon can be avoided with proper research and knowing what a healthy chameleon looks like..
 
I am terribly unsure what that has to do with anything, other than a different color.

Normally buying an unhealthy chameleon can be avoided with proper research and knowing what a healthy chameleon looks like..

My cham just shed today and I noticed a nice piece of extra skin for him to grow into near his spine, kinda like in this photo.

Edit: Wait, I take that back. This lil dudes spine almost seems sunken in?!
 
Well, My cham, Akbar, is settling in nicely. His colours are coming out a little more, and he's proving to be a persistent hunter, and a voracious eater.

He's been exploring his cage, and has a nice basking spot where he spends most of his time. Basking spot has an incandescent bulb, and the UVB light and he seems to be soaking it all in. His crickets are being fed Carrots, Collard greens and orange, and are dusted lightly with Calcium (no D3). I free-range the crickets in the morning before I head to work, and they're all gone by the time I get home.

As for the possibility of MBD. He ay have it, but based on the research I've been doing, if he does, it would be a mild case. I base this on some of the listed symptoms. He has no problem moving about his cage. He doesn't slip or fall off of vines. I've watches him hang upside down from his back legs only for a long drink, and then pull himself back up entirely with his front legs. He also has a killer grip, not wanting to let go of my hand. (I've only handled him when we needed to adjust his cage. We added a couple more vines to give him more areas to roam).

He has not defecated yet, but some research shows that it is not unusual for a panther to go a few days before pooping. He's also still quite active, still eating, and it is possible I just can't find it.

The only thing that is strange (And it IS strange) is how he hunts. He does not shoot his tongue out to eat. He walks up to the cricket, stretches out his body, and then uses his tongue to 'lap up' the cricket, whereupon he munches happily. I am aware that this can be a sign of MBD, so I am watching him carefully for other signs. In the mean time, I'll keep up his nutrition. It could be that since he was in a far smaller cage previously, he never learned to shoot his tongue. He could also have been ill in the past, and learned to hunt and eat without it. (Though it is amusing to see him occasionally run towards his food to catch it).
 
one thing i noticed is that you said your lights are on/off at 8. however you have your misting system also programmed to burst last at 8pm. i would adjust this so that your chameleon isnt going to bed in a soaking cage
 
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