Mr. J hahaha
Established Member
He also sells houses as a his main job and breeding and selling chams is a second income. But I can almost say for curtain he does not breed all the chams he sells and some of them are not in the same state either.
flchams
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Mr. J hahaha
Established Member
The one in my main picture isn’t the one from flchams
How do you know you got a knock off?
Mr. J hahaha
Established Member
The one in my main pic I got from a friend. But the way I know he isn’t the one only breeding them and that he doesn’t even see them. Is he is in Florida hence his business name but when I got my little guy in he came from Pennsylvania.
Darthroastcoffee
Avid Member
You will never know what your getting. And It’s crazy seeing people recommending people to buy from places we all know are shady.. personaly I will only buy anything that I can talk with the breeder about and see lineage. Other then that there’s obviously no care just business, it’s hard to expect honesty at that point. It’s a sad day when I hear of a chameleon getting shipped without any communication for over a week then a random ship date and delivery still without communicating.
Well I went with them because people said he was good. That he was very responsive and even a sponsor here.
Just to clarify, I ordered it on Friday Their site says they do Monday - Thursday shipping for Tuesday - Friday deliveries. That's why I did it that way. Wanted it delivered on Tuesday since I work Wednesday - Saturday 12 hour nights.
Amydaveg
Member
I agree with MIGhunter.
If you can’t trust althis forums sponsor who can you trust?
One would think someone dedicated to the hobby would be here , and those just wanting to sell as many Chams as possible would sell to a big box store.
I was happy with what I got from FL, but hopefully it will look something like the sire.
No reptile store around me Even carry panthers
If you can’t trust althis forums sponsor who can you trust?
One would think someone dedicated to the hobby would be here , and those just wanting to sell as many Chams as possible would sell to a big box store.
I was happy with what I got from FL, but hopefully it will look something like the sire.
No reptile store around me Even carry panthers
Harry The Cham
Established Member
It took my cham about 3 days to eat when I first got him. Give him time to adjust to his new surrounding and he will start eating
cyberlocc
Chameleon Enthusiast
So a few things.
1. They get mixed reviews, I have seen some horrid reviews recently of them. If it came from him, it will likely be good, the issue is as has been stated is he is a flipper as well.
LLLreptile is a straight flipper. I made the mistake of ordering from them before, will never do that again.
Backwater also does alot of flipping, they just sold a clucth of 1 month old Parsons Cristifers that were destinied to die. Seen one guy buy 5, one survived past 3 months.
Whether the FLchams guy is a bad seller a good seller idk, I have never dealt with him, I can only tell you what I see, and that has been mixed and recently more bad than good. And flipping sight unseen is a horrid business practice and I would never knownlingy do business with someone like that.
I did once, with LLL it was a good deal, and that good deal got me a baby knocking on death door, way too young, extremely sick, that ended up costing me vet bills and still being beyond saving.
2. Moving on,
Sadly, just because someone is a site sponsor honestly means nothing.
A. The admins can't, and dont have time to throughly vet and continue to do so, everyone who wants to sponsor the site.
Even if he did, the forum needs to run, and sponsors allow that to happen. And the alot of them are good.
B. You notice I say continue to do so, the Admins may Vet Sponsor at the start, but people change. They get content, they get careless, they get lazy, they get greedy, ect. Again not accusing anyone of this, just stating human nature.
C. Sponsors have monetarily donated to this forum, and for that they get advertisement. Realize that. It is in fact a business transaction, in their eyes, an investment.
I'm not saying all of them feel that way, I know Dragonstrand doesn't, and he shows that, by being here, by making the podcast, by helping people. When is the last time FLchams has posted?
The breeders that give their time and energy, to help people here, without advertisement, that's who you should trust. And the businesses that give their time and money. Todd (LYR) helps people here all the time, and some times he advertises, but he does so while helping.
Someone who pays the sponsor and walks away, does not care about this community. Once again, let me be clear I'm not saying FLchams, or any of the sponsors don't care. Just making generalazations of all site sponsors on all forums, including this one.
If someone doesn't want to reply to you, you don't want to do business with them, point blank. I don't care if it's a side job, if he doesn't have the time to reply and walk you through every single detail, and help you on your journey he has no business selling Chameleons period.
Rant Over
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Now I did want to warn you. Just because that is the sire means nothing. He cherry picked a sire, nothing more, and probably inbred to get a Veilied to look like that.
The chances of your cham looking like that are slim, not impossible, but you need to realize that there is no gaurntee with Chameleons they are not like snakes, and that picture is a cherry picked, fired up, 1 of a kind, your Chameleon will most likely not look anything like that when fired up, and they defiantly won't look like that resting. Look at normal every day Velieds and the odds are very high that is what you have.
I know it's a little late now to tell you that, but hopefully it will save from some disappointment. If you want to know for sure the cham you are getting buy an adult. All the grown FL chams I have seen, look just like any other 50 dollar Veilied and the owner usually bashs FL for it, as they paid a designer price for a regaular veiled.
I see the posts here and Facebook too often. People posting pics of their green Cham, complaining it looks nothing like the sire. However even with Panthers, that is always a chance, and they are showing you fired up pics you will rarely see them like that, even if they do have those fired up colors. That's why good breeders will explain that to you, and show you the sides resting colors, and still state, yours can be completely different.
Hopefully this helps someone, sorry I was too late for you
. Hopefully it can at least it can lower expectations to ease the burn now .
To answer the other posters question of who can we trust then.
Anyone with "Chameleon Enthusiast" under their name, sponsor or not, is a good place to start. They have given something more valuable then money, they have given their knowledge and their time, to helping others.
1. They get mixed reviews, I have seen some horrid reviews recently of them. If it came from him, it will likely be good, the issue is as has been stated is he is a flipper as well.
LLLreptile is a straight flipper. I made the mistake of ordering from them before, will never do that again.
Backwater also does alot of flipping, they just sold a clucth of 1 month old Parsons Cristifers that were destinied to die. Seen one guy buy 5, one survived past 3 months.
Whether the FLchams guy is a bad seller a good seller idk, I have never dealt with him, I can only tell you what I see, and that has been mixed and recently more bad than good. And flipping sight unseen is a horrid business practice and I would never knownlingy do business with someone like that.
I did once, with LLL it was a good deal, and that good deal got me a baby knocking on death door, way too young, extremely sick, that ended up costing me vet bills and still being beyond saving.
2. Moving on,
Sadly, just because someone is a site sponsor honestly means nothing.
A. The admins can't, and dont have time to throughly vet and continue to do so, everyone who wants to sponsor the site.
Even if he did, the forum needs to run, and sponsors allow that to happen. And the alot of them are good.
B. You notice I say continue to do so, the Admins may Vet Sponsor at the start, but people change. They get content, they get careless, they get lazy, they get greedy, ect. Again not accusing anyone of this, just stating human nature.
C. Sponsors have monetarily donated to this forum, and for that they get advertisement. Realize that. It is in fact a business transaction, in their eyes, an investment.
I'm not saying all of them feel that way, I know Dragonstrand doesn't, and he shows that, by being here, by making the podcast, by helping people. When is the last time FLchams has posted?
The breeders that give their time and energy, to help people here, without advertisement, that's who you should trust. And the businesses that give their time and money. Todd (LYR) helps people here all the time, and some times he advertises, but he does so while helping.
Someone who pays the sponsor and walks away, does not care about this community. Once again, let me be clear I'm not saying FLchams, or any of the sponsors don't care. Just making generalazations of all site sponsors on all forums, including this one.
If someone doesn't want to reply to you, you don't want to do business with them, point blank. I don't care if it's a side job, if he doesn't have the time to reply and walk you through every single detail, and help you on your journey he has no business selling Chameleons period.
Rant Over
.Now I did want to warn you. Just because that is the sire means nothing. He cherry picked a sire, nothing more, and probably inbred to get a Veilied to look like that.
The chances of your cham looking like that are slim, not impossible, but you need to realize that there is no gaurntee with Chameleons they are not like snakes, and that picture is a cherry picked, fired up, 1 of a kind, your Chameleon will most likely not look anything like that when fired up, and they defiantly won't look like that resting. Look at normal every day Velieds and the odds are very high that is what you have.
I know it's a little late now to tell you that, but hopefully it will save from some disappointment. If you want to know for sure the cham you are getting buy an adult. All the grown FL chams I have seen, look just like any other 50 dollar Veilied and the owner usually bashs FL for it, as they paid a designer price for a regaular veiled.
I see the posts here and Facebook too often. People posting pics of their green Cham, complaining it looks nothing like the sire. However even with Panthers, that is always a chance, and they are showing you fired up pics you will rarely see them like that, even if they do have those fired up colors. That's why good breeders will explain that to you, and show you the sides resting colors, and still state, yours can be completely different.
Hopefully this helps someone, sorry I was too late for you
. Hopefully it can at least it can lower expectations to ease the burn now .To answer the other posters question of who can we trust then.
Anyone with "Chameleon Enthusiast" under their name, sponsor or not, is a good place to start. They have given something more valuable then money, they have given their knowledge and their time, to helping others.
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So I would like to add something here, as I am always struggling with shutting down these type of "review" threads. It is not allowed to post reviews on the forums, but at times these threads are beneficial for more than just an actual review of a product or vendor. I watch until I think something has gone a bit to far to break the rules and shut it down. It is purely a judgement call on my part and I probably should just state the rule and close the thread, but its a fine line. As for site sponsors, this is much more complicated than you think. @Brad is the one who deals with them for the most part, but we are always keeping an eye out for things that may come up. If a sponsor does anything that is considered unethical, irresponsible, illegal, etc. then they would lose the privilege of sponsoring the site. So yes, there is a process that we use to on-board sponsors, but it does not end there. I can think of a sponsor that was here that was let go due to questionable practices that we had found out about. These things can happen, but it is rare. I find that most of the complaints about sponsors are about communication times. Many of these businesses are not the only thing that the person does for a living and that can make it difficult to be prompt and provide the best customer service levels.
My original inquiry wasn't about a review. Till this day he's never answered my questions. The only response I got from him was when I complained about delivery, he texted me to say they emailed me a tracking number. Which I never received. Maybe because my email is mighuntr and most think it's mighuntr. Still he didn't answer any of my questions. Even after the 1 text he sent, I asked him stuff about the one I received, no answer.
I understand that it wasn't a review, but the answers are more like complaints. Those type of responses will also tend to lock down threads. I'm not saying you are doing anything wrong, and I am sorry you did not get a better response from the seller. I am hoping that your new chameleon is doing well and we would love to see pictures as he grows! I think I started to write this once and deleted it because I didn't want to get involved in the thread yet, but I would be super pissed if someone shipped a chameleon to me with out getting the OK first, site sponsor or not. It just isn't a good way to do things. Too many variables can occur to make this dangerous for your animal. I'm glad he arrived safely.
Amydaveg
Member
Maybe it would he helpful if someone from FLChams would write here.
I received a cham from them, the Flynn line, and he is doing great. His colors are starting to show.
How do I know if it was a "flip". I believe the shipping was from FL.
If he is flipping them, how do you know the blood line?
I received a cham from them, the Flynn line, and he is doing great. His colors are starting to show.
How do I know if it was a "flip". I believe the shipping was from FL.
If he is flipping them, how do you know the blood line?
Yep, I had a baby veiled from Petco...
Just goes to show you just cant predict this stuff...
CJ's Exotics
Chameleon Enthusiast
He'll start to develop some real good color soon! That's mainly more of a stress coloration.
