whats the diffrence between Tr. hoehnelii and C. hoehnelii

[okiroo]

im looking seriously into buying one. already have all the stuff in my shoping cart (id buy the cham later on because its alot to get into when im starting school 2mmrow) i feel like i would want to breed these someday. i'll probally go with a female for now if their live bareing. that way i can grab or use a male sometime later on(year or two). any advice will be helpful. im also fond of mellers and can probally set up a nice free range. the problem is it would be in my room with little clair. shes in her own cage but i keep the screen unzipped for her. would it be unsafe to free range if i have a tv and stuff in my room? my room is kept very clean and always made up. as a matter of fact; any advice on what cham would be good is helpful.

 

[eisentrauti]

Chamaeleo hoehnelii = very old taxonomy
Chameleo (Trioceros) hoehnelii = old taxonomy
Trioceros hoehnelii = new taxonomy (up to date version )

I doubt that you can keep melleri and / or hoehnelii in your room, they need both deep night temperatures, especially the hoehneliis. There are plenty of information here in this forum about those two species so it shouldnt be a problem to some research on them

 

[Lizardlover]

There is no such thing as C.hoehnelii, if you mean Ch.hoehnelii and Tr.hoehnelii its just new vs. old taxonomy as Benny said.

 

[okiroo]

There is no such thing as C.hoehnelii, if you mean Ch.hoehnelii and Tr.hoehnelii its just new vs. old taxonomy as Benny said.

oh. excuse me. whats a taxonomy? and yes i have already done some serching about them. i supose thats probally true. i dont want them to be unhappy but i'll serch more. thankyou.

 

[Carlton]

oh. excuse me. whats a taxonomy? and yes i have already done some serching about them. i supose thats probally true. i dont want them to be unhappy but i'll serch more. thankyou.

Taxonomy refers to their biological classification (order, family, genus, species) and how they are named. Species get shifted from one group to another as more about their genetic origins and their relationship to other chams are understood.

 

[okiroo]

oh wow, learn something everyday. thankyou for your time to anwser.

 

[Carlton]

im looking seriously into buying one. already have all the stuff in my shoping cart (id buy the cham later on because its alot to get into when im starting school 2mmrow) i feel like i would want to breed these someday. i'll probally go with a female for now if their live bareing. that way i can grab or use a male sometime later on(year or two). any advice will be helpful. im also fond of mellers and can probally set up a nice free range. the problem is it would be in my room with little clair. shes in her own cage but i keep the screen unzipped for her. would it be unsafe to free range if i have a tv and stuff in my room? my room is kept very clean and always made up. as a matter of fact; any advice on what cham would be good is helpful.

I doubt you can have more than one cham free ranging or even caged in your room. Remember that chams do stress each other by displaying if they see other chams. A free range melleri doesn't sound like a good idea if you have other smaller chams in the same space. Probably not enough territory or space for more than one (unless your room is HUGE!). Melleri take a lot of attention. If you are in school probably not the best choice.

 

[okiroo]

I doubt you can have more than one cham free ranging or even caged in your room. Remember that chams do stress each other by displaying if they see other chams. A free range melleri doesn't sound like a good idea if you have other smaller chams in the same space. Probably not enough territory or space for more than one (unless your room is HUGE!). Melleri take a lot of attention. If you are in school probably not the best choice.

my room is a good size and i was willing to get rid of my tv and xbox and pre much anything in the way(besides my bed. lol) clair is on a nightstand. i might go ahead and buy cage(Penn Plax Reptology Screen Habitat 24 x 24 x 48" ) that will fit a panther, hoe, or any other i might want and go ahead and set it up. i can put them where they wont see eachother but i'll cross melleri off the list for now.

 

[ataraxia]

edit: wrong thread. thought this was the thread about montanes and temps.

for what it is worth and this is not advice, just some food for thought. google terre haute, indiana weather. my two hoe's (m/f) are outside 24/7 during summer months (check out last months temps). it gets darn right nasty hot for ambients. they only see morning sun and late afternoon sun into the evening. the pumps run an extra 15 minutes per session (4). they are eating, shedding, drinking, they look great. from what i read, they are semi montane.

im not saying this would be the same if they were kept inside at the same temps and i dont recommend it. i go against the grain within limits to see if all i read is correct. what works for some does not for others and some chams are individually different. imo they can withstand higher temps from my observation. i basically keep adults like female panthers or veileds.

 

[okiroo]

edit: wrong thread. thought this was the thread about montanes and temps.

for what it is worth and this is not advice, just some food for thought. google terre haute, indiana weather. my two hoe's (m/f) are outside 24/7 during summer months (check out last months temps). it gets darn right nasty hot for ambients. they only see morning sun and late afternoon sun into the evening. the pumps run an extra 15 minutes per session (4). they are eating, shedding, drinking, they look great. from what i read, they are semi montane.

im not saying this would be the same if they were kept inside at the same temps and i dont recommend it. i go against the grain within limits to see if all i read is correct. what works for some does not for others and some chams are individually different. imo they can withstand higher temps from my observation. i basically keep adults like female panthers or veileds.

oh! well than would be perfect. i live in SC and our summers are very hot. winter it gets pre cool but this is going to be an indoor thing for shure. if needed i could provide anything it would need. i wont buy an animal if i cant buy everything it need i can assure you.

 

[Chris Anderson]

There is no such thing as C.hoehnelii, if you mean Ch.hoehnelii and Tr.hoehnelii its just new vs. old taxonomy as Benny said.

You're correct that Trioceros hoehnelii is the current and most correct taxonomy. Typically when the genus is abbreviated, it is abbreviated to just its first letter, however (i.e., T. hoehnelii). In cases where there could be confusion as to the genus it is referring to (i.e., when there are more than one genera in a family starting with the same letter, such as Chamaeleo and Calumma) sometimes authors will abbreviate the genus to two letters for clarity (i.e., Ch. calyptratus as an abbreviation for Chamaeleo calyptratus). That said, this is not required so when T. hoehnelii was classified in Chamaeleo, both C. hoehnelii and Ch. hoehnelii were equally correct.

Chris