Weird sac around eyes

[ghettomike]

I noticed a couple weeks ago this sac in front of my four year old veileds eyes, it doesn't seem to be painful for her as she lets me touch it but it seems to be interfering with her vision when she is trying to look forward. Around the same time that I noticed this I observed that she is getting within 1/4" from her food to eat it instead of zapping bugs from a distance. Does chameleons skin get looser as they age? In just wondering if this is a sign of aging or a different issue? Any help would be great, thanks.

 

[Lathis]

She may have pus or debris in her eye. A vet visit is likely needed.

 

[ghettomike]

Both her eyes are affected like this, the sac seems like it is filled with air as it isn't at all dense. No sign of puss or cloudiness near her actual eye ball

 

[dasPantherchamaeleon]

please visit a VET.. he should check the eyes..

 

[Lathis]

If it's both eyes, it's likely an infection. Maybe of the eyes, maybe a sinus infection. It is definitely not a normal chameleon thing. I think a vet trip asap is a must.

 

[pssh]

I agree, it is probably an infection. I would take her in to the vets to get them checked out and get some antibiotics. Flushing her eyes with sterile plain saline won't hurt. A shower might help as well until you can get her to the vets.

 

[carol5208]

Does she have any bumps on the bridge of her nose?. The Veilds seem more prone to these and then the infection travels into the sinus and eyes. Like the others have said, vet for sure. As far as the tongue, if it was a sudden thing where she all of the sudden could not extend her tongue, it may be more apt to be an injury of some sort and may need to heal. If not, it could be some type of vitamin, mineral, or calcium deficiency. Some sort of imbalance from what I have read. Others that have chameleons up in age have stated that their chameleons do not extend their tongues far either, but yours being 4 years old is not that old. When you get her to the vet, have your vet draw blood and do bloodwork to see where all her levels are.

 

[ghettomike]

No bumps. I am going to call the vet tomorrow for an appointment.

 

[Lathelia]

I think the tongue issue may be a result of her not being able to see much when she looks forward.

 

[kevin9]

Let us know what the vet says...Im curious!

 

[carol5208]

I think the tongue issue may be a result of her not being able to see much when she looks forward.

yes, that could be very possible. If she cannot see properly then she probably has no depth perception.

 

[Poptartjake]

Hmmm, I have 0 experience with infections in Chams, so I am curious about the formation of the skin. To me it looks just like the dried skin from a blister which has me interested in what is actually happening to the Chams skin. In particular, is that the skin attached to the front/west part of the eye? (West being left most side near her nose, East being toward her spine/tail.) Or is it skin from around/near her eye?

 

[ghettomike]

So we got to the vet and he seems to think that it might be that her sinus cavity (the canal between the eyes and sinus) may be blocked. He told me to give her isopto drops (tears) in her eyes a few times a day which I am currently doing. I am also giving her nice long warm showers to hopefully loosen the "clog" up. Hopefully this works. We go back to the vets next week for a follow up.

 

[ghettomike]

Hmmm, I have 0 experience with infections in Chams, so I am curious about the formation of the skin. To me it looks just like the dried skin from a blister which has me interested in what is actually happening to the Chams skin. In particular, is that the skin attached to the front/west part of the eye? (West being left most side near her nose, East being toward her spine/tail.) Or is it skin from around/near her eye?

To answer your question it is the skin from the front part around her eye. It is off because the puffiness comes and goes, sometimes it looks like normal and other times it is very puffed up and she can't look forward

 

[Miss Lily]

My dear Amy had the same thing. Here's a link to the thread I made at the time. She was diagnosed with Pneumonia in the January before her eye issues started. https://www.chameleonforums.com/eye-help-please-77234/

 

[ghettomike]

My dear Amy had the same thing. Here's a link to the thread I made at the time. She was diagnosed with Pneumonia in the January before her eye issues started. https://www.chameleonforums.com/eye-help-please-77234/

Miss Lily, thank you for providing that link. I read through your whole ordeal, sorry for your loss. Just to be clear your vet doesn't actually know what the actual issue was affecting her eyes? Did the vitamin shot seem to help her eyes before she passed? The showers and drops don't seem to be doing much for Carmie. Other than the puffy eyes she seems to be good, still eating and her eyes are always open while she is awake so that is good. Thanks again for sharing that.

 

[Miss Lily]

I don't think the vet gave her a vitamin shot in the end. My memory is not good, so I am glad I have a lot of info written in threads on here to referback to. Here eyes didn't improve, despite the nasolacrimalflush. In the January she had Pneumonia seemingly out of nowhere and we thought she recovered from that, but I now believe that the infeciton spread throughout her whole body, bless her. I am sorry I can't give you more hope of a happy out come. I just wish chams couls stay with us longer. I hope you can get your cham some help though. Although my vet is very good and is a reptile specialist, they don't see that many chams going in for treatment like vets elsewhere and in the US.

 

[little leaf]

I was not sure if you saw this link or not- so I am posting it
I wish your little one a quick recovery , glad you took her to the vet
https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/healthx/head-neck/

 

[ghettomike]

I was not sure if you saw this link or not- so I am posting it
I wish your little one a quick recovery , glad you took her to the vet
https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/healthx/head-neck/[/QUOTE

Thanks, I had not seen that, it sounds like its a blockage, perhaps caused by a small sinus infection, I'm hoping the showers and drops loosen it up. She goes back to the vet in a few days for a follow up.

 

[ghettomike]

I don't think the vet gave her a vitamin shot in the end. My memory is not good, so I am glad I have a lot of info written in threads on here to referback to. Here eyes didn't improve, despite the nasolacrimalflush. In the January she had Pneumonia seemingly out of nowhere and we thought she recovered from that, but I now believe that the infeciton spread throughout her whole body, bless her. I am sorry I can't give you more hope of a happy out come. I just wish chams couls stay with us longer. I hope you can get your cham some help though. Although my vet is very good and is a reptile specialist, they don't see that many chams going in for treatment like vets elsewhere and in the US.

Thanks for the info, the link to your ordeal gave me more to discuss with the vet, The local breeder uses the same vet so he has a bit of experience with chams.