This actually hurts my heart

[Mountain Dragon]

I’ve seen videos like these of chameleons and wrong care and it hurts my heart I wish there care was so known like a dog or cats was. It’s also funny to see people think they can turn any color. Here is one example of a poor setup

 

[JacksJill]

I'm going to take your word for how incorrect these are I don't want to click on them and encourage them in any way.

 

[nightanole]

Doesnt look that bad to me. As long as hes doing medium D3 the crappy double dome will work. Hes got a mister and a nice screen cage. Nothing wrong with crickets and meal worms as a baby since they normally will not eat anything else like dubia etc.

Yea they live like kings on this forum, but there is a huge range in setup quality that will work. its not "if its not perfect its going to be miserable and die"

You want bad setups, just goto cragslist. Plenty of veilds setup in beardy tanks. Just a hot rock and water bowl, even astroturf bottoms.

 

[Sonny13]

These guys should be the example, with those massive subscribers, they should speak to the audience about how delicate these creatures are. They should spread the word that chameleons are for dedicated keepers, not impossible, however good husbandry is the key to success. If you're willing to spend a decent amount of money, then just buy the same equipment he bought and put in a rubber chameleon.
They should show what's the correct equipment for adequate keeping and promote the reptiles brand, then everybody could make their wanted money with it, win - win situation and happy animals.

Now he just paints it off as an easy to keep pet, which "loves to play around and its cage", o and don't mind, you don't need to setup an enclosure before you buy a chameleon! It's almost like a Mc'Drive.

 

[MissSkittles]

I won’t watch those videos now or ever. Videos of South Florida iguanas keep popping up on my YouTube, but they are horrible ones of hunting them. I can’t watch. I won’t watch. I know bad things are done in the world to animals, whether by intent or ignorance, and that hurts my heart more than enough.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

These guys should be the example, with those massive subscribers, they should speak to the audience about how delicate these creatures are. They should spread the word that chameleons are for dedicated keepers, not impossible, however good husbandry is the key to success. If you're willing to spend a decent amount of money, then just buy the same equipment he bought and put in a rubber chameleon.
They should show what's the correct equipment for adequate keeping and promote the reptiles brand, then everybody could make their wanted money with it, win - win situation and happy animals.

Now he just paints it off as an easy to keep pet, which "loves to play around and its cage", o and don't mind, you don't need to setup an enclosure before you buy a chameleon! It's almost like a Mc'Drive.

Yea all the comments are like awww I want one oh I might get one or he needs a friend in his cage

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Doesnt look that bad to me. As long as hes doing medium D3 the crappy double dome will work. Hes got a mister and a nice screen cage. Nothing wrong with crickets and meal worms as a baby since they normally will not eat anything else like dubia etc.

Yea they live like kings on this forum, but there is a huge range in setup quality that will work. its not "if its not perfect its going to be miserable and die"

You want bad setups, just goto cragslist. Plenty of veilds setup in beardy tanks. Just a hot rock and water bowl, even astroturf bottoms.

He only does d3 for supplement and pretty sure meal worms are very high in chitin which isn’t the best for digestive matters but…

 

[jamest0o0]

He only does d3 for supplement and pretty sure meal worms are very high in chitin which isn’t the best for digestive matters but…

I didn't watch the video, and assuming he's new to chams, I'd agree it's not the best route... BUT it's possible to get by only supplementing d3. It's just a lot more can go wrong if over/underdone than if you have strong uvb lighting. For 2 winters I didn't use uvb for my Parsons and only supplemented d3. Little different of a situation than a panther, but it is possible.

The mealworm thing is a myth, they are nutritious feeders. Nobody that brings up(including myself in the past) that they're bad ever actually has information to back it up. It's just one of those things that keeps getting passed along. Beetles are a large part of wild chams' diets, their shells are much harder than a mealworms.

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

He only does d3 for supplement and pretty sure meal worms are very high in chitin which isn’t the best for digestive matters but…

The issue with mealworms having high chiten is overblown; they actually have less than many other feeder insects.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/the-evils-of-mealworms.180182/#post-1629972

 

[CasqueAbove]

What gets me is that they video their ignorance. They are so clueless they don’t even know how much they don’t know.

saw one guy with a dead animal and he claimed “well this happens from time to time “.
No animals don’t just die for no reason.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

I didn't watch the video, and assuming he's new to chams, I'd agree it's not the best route... BUT it's possible to get by only supplementing d3. It's just a lot more can go wrong if over/underdone than if you have strong uvb lighting. For 2 winters I didn't use uvb for my Parsons and only supplemented d3. Little different of a situation than a panther, but it is possible.

The mealworm thing is a myth, they are nutritious feeders. Nobody that brings up(including myself in the past) that they're bad ever actually has information to back it up. It's just one of those things that keeps getting passed along. Beetles are a large part of wild chams' diets, their shells are much harder than a mealworms.

Oops guess it is

 

[Mountain Dragon]

The issue with mealworms having high chiten is overblown; they actually have less than many other feeder insects.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/the-evils-of-mealworms.180182/#post-1629972

Ahh okay still learnin a bit

 

[nightanole]

What gets me is that they video their ignorance. They are so clueless they don’t even know how much they don’t know.

saw one guy with a dead animal and he claimed “well this happens from time to time “.
No animals don’t just die for no reason.

Honestly we just need zoomed to start selling the T5HO with the "chameleon starter kit" and alot of issues would solve themselves. Then you just need some live plants, and a dog to bite the new owner every time they want to put their hand in the cage.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Honestly we just need zoomed to start selling the T5HO with the "chameleon starter kit" and alot of issues would solve themselves. Then you just need some live plants, and a dog to bite the new owner every time they want to put their hand in the cage.

Hhahaha so true

 

[Mountain Dragon]

I heard meal worms aren’t very nutritional is this true

 

[Klyde O'Scope]

I heard meal worms aren’t very nutritional is this true

Answered above.

 

[jamest0o0]

Mealworms raised on a good diet, are nutritional. Not as a staple, but can make a part of a varied diet.

 

[nightanole]

I heard meal worms aren’t very nutritional is this true

Less chitin than a cricket. The only down side is you can only gut load them for 10% body weight. Dubia are the kings at 50%, and crickets are in the middle at 25-33%. Or to put it another way, you can fit 5x more gut load in a dubia, and 3x more gut load in a cricket, vs a meal/super worm

Personally i just order "small" supers which are a better option vs regular meal worms.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Hmmm learning new things everyday I guess

 

[jamest0o0]

Hmmm learning new things everyday I guess

Aren't we all? Trust me, it's not just you... most of us were saying no to mealworms at some point lol