Supplements & How I Plan On Using Them

[GreystoneExotics]

Hello All,

My wife and I just recently purchased two (2) unrelated Ambilobe Panther Chameleons and, are super excited to be raising them.
As well plan to, hopefully, be breading them in the next year to year and a half.
We will post pictures in the appropriate thread once we have them set up and home!

We have had Veiled Chameleons in the past (10 to 12 years ago) but do not recall what the recommended supplements were at that time.
With my research we have been doing with these Panthers, I see the community has possibly learned and grown a bit in the last decade or so.
Which is AWESOME, but a little more confusing LOL.

So my questions is in regards to diet supplements.....
Want to make sure I am on the right track. This was about the only portion of research that I was not totally sure about.

The are the supplements we planning on feeding and frequency are....
1) PangeaCal Without D3 by Pangea - Every Feeding
2) PangeaCal With D3 by Pangea & Repashey Calcium Plus - Twice A Month (When I Feed These, I Wont use "1)" above.

Thanks you for taking the time to have a read through, I look forward to the response.
Just want some sort of thumbs up that I am on the right tract with this.

 

[MissSkittles]

Hello All,

My wife and I just recently purchased two (2) unrelated Ambilobe Panther Chameleons and, are super excited to be raising them.
As well plan to, hopefully, be breading them in the next year to year and a half.
We will post pictures in the appropriate thread once we have them set up and home!

We have had Veiled Chameleons in the past (10 to 12 years ago) but do not recall what the recommended supplements were at that time.
With my research we have been doing with these Panthers, I see the community has possibly learned and grown a bit in the last decade or so.
Which is AWESOME, but a little more confusing LOL.

So my questions is in regards to diet supplements.....
Want to make sure I am on the right track. This was about the only portion of research that I was not totally sure about.

The are the supplements we planning on feeding and frequency are....
1) PangeaCal Without D3 by Pangea - Every Feeding
2) PangeaCal With D3 by Pangea & Repashey Calcium Plus - Twice A Month (When I Feed These, I Wont use "1)" above.

Thanks you for taking the time to have a read through, I look forward to the response.
Just want some sort of thumbs up that I am on the right tract with this.

While not familiar with the PangeaCal brand, I assume they are okay. However, the Repashy Calcium Plus is not. I can’t recall which vitamins it is too high in for chameleons, but it is. Also, it contains D3 so you would be double dosing in D3. A couple of better options would be : substitute ReptiVite without D3 for the Calcium Plus. It is a great multivitamin which has preformed A. This would be used one feeding every other week, alternating with the PangeaCal with D3 OR substitute Repashy Calcium Plus LoD (or ReptiVite with D3) for both the Calcium Plus and the PangeaCal with D3. This is a combination product of multivitamins and D3 and is used one feeding every other week (or twice a month).
I would suggest getting refamiliarized with keeping your chameleons before trying your hand at breeding. I’ve only been at this for about 6 years, so while I know husbandry standards have changed, I couldn’t tell you how specifically. If you haven’t already been to https://chameleonacademy.com/ I encourage you to check it out for all the latest and greatest on chameleons. Chameleon Academy and Neptune the Chameleon are also great sources on YouTube. Of course, the wealth of experience and knowledge of the forum is always astounding and can answer just about any question. Welcome back to chameleon keeping.

 

[Rango_TheManEater]

Hello!

I agree with @MissSkittles. I personally use Reptivite twice monthly and Calcium without D3 at every feeding. These powders can last forever— I’ve had mine for a few months, and they’re not even half empty.

Here is my personal dusting schedule, in case you would like a physical reminder! Good luck on your journey with your panthers.

 

[GreystoneExotics]

While not familiar with the PangeaCal brand, I assume they are okay. However, the Repashy Calcium Plus is not. I can’t recall which vitamins it is too high in for chameleons, but it is. Also, it contains D3 so you would be double dosing in D3. A couple of better options would be : substitute ReptiVite without D3 for the Calcium Plus. It is a great multivitamin which has preformed A. This would be used one feeding every other week, alternating with the PangeaCal with D3 OR substitute Repashy Calcium Plus LoD (or ReptiVite with D3) for both the Calcium Plus and the PangeaCal with D3. This is a combination product of multivitamins and D3 and is used one feeding every other week (or twice a month).
I would suggest getting refamiliarized with keeping your chameleons before trying your hand at breeding. I’ve only been at this for about 6 years, so while I know husbandry standards have changed, I couldn’t tell you how specifically. If you haven’t already been to https://chameleonacademy.com/ I encourage you to check it out for all the latest and greatest on chameleons. Chameleon Academy and Neptune the Chameleon are also great sources on YouTube. Of course, the wealth of experience and knowledge of the forum is always astounding and can answer just about any question. Welcome back to chameleon keeping.

Thank you for the reply.
Sounds like I have more experience than you in keeping chams...

I have been catching up on the "Chameleon Acadamey Podcast", and, have made my way through a good portion of the videos from "Neptune The Chameleon". Both of which great resources.

In regards to breeding, I agree, hence we will be waiting a year, to a year and a half, before we venture down that road.

This is the ingredients for the "Repashey Calcium Plus"...

INGREDIENTS: Calcium Carbonate, Dried Kelp, Dried Brewer�s Yeast, RoseHips, Calendula Flower, Marigold Flower, Paprika, Hibiscus Flower, Algae Meal, Turmeric, Rosemary Extract, Natural Fruit Flavor, Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Methionine Hydroxy Analogue Chelate, Manganese Methionine Hydroxy Analogue Chelate, Copper Methionine Hydroxy Analogue Chelate, Selenium Yeast. Vitamins: (Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium L-Ascorbyl-2-Monophosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Beta Carotene, Pantothenic Acid, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement).
Guaranteed Analysis Base: Crude Protein min. .2%, Crude Fat min. .2%, Crude Fiber max. 4%, Moisture max. 8%, Calcium min. 17%, Vitamin A min. 200,000 IU/lb, Vitamin D min. 20,000 IU/lb, Vitamin E min. 2,000 IU/lb.

So... Based on your reply I have purchased the ReptiVite w/o D3.

This will be my new supplementation schedule.

The are the supplements we planning on feeding and frequency....
1) PangeaCal Without D3 by Pangea - Every Feeding
2) PangeaCal With D3 by Pangea & Zoo Med ReptiVite™ without D3 - Twice A Month (When I Feed These, I Wont use "1)" above).

This should put me in line now, hey??

Below are the links to where I purchased the Pangea supplements...
I believe "Neptune The Chameleon" uses them, so that's why I went with them.
Ingredient list look pretty top notch.

PangeaCal Without D3...
https://www.reptilesrus.ca/pangeacal-without-d3-by-pangea-12oz/
PangeaCal With D3...
https://www.reptilesrus.ca/pangeacal-with-d3-by-pangea-3oz/

 

[GreystoneExotics]

Hello!

I agree with @MissSkittles. I personally use Reptivite twice monthly and Calcium without D3 at every feeding. These powders can last forever— I’ve had mine for a few months, and they’re not even half empty.

Here is my personal dusting schedule, in case you would like a physical reminder! Good luck on your journey with your panthers.

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Thanks for sharing.
I like the idea, I am going to make a calendar as well!

We are SUPER excited to start this journey! I am sure i will be on here with more questions LOL.
Hopefully I hear from you again Rango!!

 

[TCMontium]

While not familiar with the PangeaCal brand, I assume they are okay. However, the Repashy Calcium Plus is not. I can’t recall which vitamins it is too high in for chameleons, but it is. Also, it contains D3 so you would be double dosing in D3. A couple of better options would be : substitute ReptiVite without D3 for the Calcium Plus. It is a great multivitamin which has preformed A. This would be used one feeding every other week, alternating with the PangeaCal with D3 OR substitute Repashy Calcium Plus LoD (or ReptiVite with D3) for both the Calcium Plus and the PangeaCal with D3. This is a combination product of multivitamins and D3 and is used one feeding every other week (or twice a month).
I would suggest getting refamiliarized with keeping your chameleons before trying your hand at breeding. I’ve only been at this for about 6 years, so while I know husbandry standards have changed, I couldn’t tell you how specifically. If you haven’t already been to https://chameleonacademy.com/ I encourage you to check it out for all the latest and greatest on chameleons. Chameleon Academy and Neptune the Chameleon are also great sources on YouTube. Of course, the wealth of experience and knowledge of the forum is always astounding and can answer just about any question. Welcome back to chameleon keeping.

Sorry to the thread owner if this is rude to ask on another persons thread:

If Repashy Calcium Plus is the only available multivitamin product for reptiles in the country, should we still refrain from using it? Or would a use method of only maybe once a month to avoid overdose do more good than cutting the multivitamins completely? (personal imports are banned, so cannot buy safer products such as ReptiVite from outside the country)

 

[GreystoneExotics]

Sorry to the thread owner if this is rude to ask on another persons thread:

If Repashy Calcium Plus is the only available multivitamin product for reptiles in the country, should we still refrain from using it? Or would a use method of only maybe once a month to avoid overdose do more good than cutting the multivitamins completely? (personal imports are banned, so cannot buy safer products such as ReptiVite from outside the country)

Not a problem on the hijacking at all. It is a valid question.

I used this when I was raising Veiled Chameleons years back, and found that with the limited knowledge the community had back then, they all seemed healthy. Its pretty cool to get back into the hobby over a decade later and see all the learning we have done in that time.

I am hoping to see what others have to say, but I would guess.....
If that is all you have access to in your area, its best to use something rather than nothing.