@jamest0o0 , I figured I would carry on with my questions here rather then side track the other thread more. As far as the hibiscus, I have a East facing window in the bedroom that I'm going to put the cage in front of once I'm finished. Do you think between the light coming through the window, 6 t5ho bulbs ( 2 5.0, 2 ge star coat and 2 true lumen flora or 2 5.0 and 4 ge star coat or 1 5.0, 1 flora and 4 ge star coat) plus light from a basking bulb if I go bulb instead of ceramic emitter would suffice? I'm planning on this being bio-active but not sure what I want to run with yet entirely though. I've read you and @Andee are fantastic minds to pick in this area. I think I want armadillidium vulgare and collembola but if either of you have other suggestions I'm all ears, or eyes I suppose . Would earthworms be ok as well? Here is where I'm at in the cage design/ build so far. Any and all recommendations on changes are always welcome . I still need to put another coat or two of poly on the base yet before I move further with adding the cleats. I'll be using cedar shims under the liner to help direct any excess water towards the two drain ports. Ignore my crappy caulk job too, figured it would be hidden under the liner so wasn't concerned with how it looked . On the door side I think I want to split the 4' span with four doors. Two for general access in the center and have the ability to swing the entire front open for maintenance.