Selling eggs?

[Warrix642]

lol I knew it was you Dustin. Good luck with selling them. I personally would not invest in something like that that's just me but there are a few people on the found who have bought eggs and it ended up working out. Good luck with selling the eggs. (not saying good luck in a sarcastic way so don't get offended)

-Clemonde

Thanks for the luck!

Not to take sides are start a fight, but I must agree that (assuming the seller is in fact a completely unknown breeder with no reputation), the entire concept of selling eggs of any exotic animal on such a generalized website is rude. Specifically rude in the idea that if the seller is without reputation, its the Barnum theory of a sucker born every minute (I am not saying the person who started this thread is a sucker, but the seller on craigs list is hoping to bait one). Even if the eggs truly are what the seller claims them to be, there is no promise of them hatching not to mention the idea of transporting eggs unprofessionally is very risky in itself. The seller is being rude to assume some one would potentially throw money to the wind on something that would be sold at the same or less price on an already born, healthy baby from a reputable breeder. I am not trying to offend anyone with this response, simply shed light on what might be another's take on why a gesture might be considered "rude" or done without concern to others.

How do you build a reputation if people bash you for trying to sell something legit?

 

[ciafardo 4]

I must understand the meaning of rude to be different than you do. It is not deliberatly discourteous or impolite (rude) to sell something.

It may be risky to buy. But that doesnt make it rude to sell.
Anyone buying something without a warranty/guarantee is taking a risk, be it an egg (which may not hatch,especially if you dont know what you are doing), a small lizard (which may die young, especially if you dont know what you are doing), or a sandwich (which may not taste as good as you expected).

Thank you Sandracham for once again being a voice of reason! I didn't get what was "rude" about it either.

 

[jojackson]

I must understand the meaning of rude to be different than you do. It is not deliberatly discourteous or impolite (rude) to sell something.

*sigh* I meant 'Rude', as in, the idea of selling eggs, which may not hatch, as opposed to taking the time to complete incubation and sell offspring 'live'.
Would you sell 'fossil containing rocks' which MAY contain fossils? 'Rude' as in, very cheeky to sell something
so risky that you cant garantee. Its taking money for nothing if anything goes wrong in shipping, or they dont hatch.
QuioteCham
said it well. Eggs sold between freinds and transported personally maybe (but again, why not wait).
Its not only the selling thats rude, its what your asking them to buy.

It may be risky to buy. But that doesnt make it rude to sell.
Anyone buying something without a warranty/guarantee is taking a risk, be it an egg (which may not hatch,especially if you dont know what you are doing), a small lizard (which may die young, especially if you dont know what you are doing), or a sandwich (which may not taste as good as you expected).

I disagree. A lizard, a sandwich, you know what your getting, Caveat emptor , eggs, not so.
Would you say these folk who offer to sell you exotics from Tanzania are rude?

Anyone like to buy some testtube embryo's? Frozen ambilobe sperm? DNA for cloning? Hey, if theres a market, exploit it, right!
Personally selling reptiles eggs seems like taking the general disrespect for living things we indulge in now to a new level. Isnt it enough that these creatures we 'love' are sold like disposable things all over the world as it is, often sold into a short horrible life folowed by an untimely death, now we have to extend this to cheapening them further by selling eggs aswell? How long till ,
'no-clue-impulsive-buyer' can buy eggs from petstores? Seems like adding insult to injury to me, all for sake of the dollar god.
when is enough, enough? Yes Sandra, I do find something innately 'rude' and disrespectful about it the practice, but Im entitled to my opinions too right?


P.S warrix and your angry post, I was asked my thoughts about why I find selling reptile eggs rude practice, I've laid it out. I dont know you, I wasnt specifically referring to you, infact I dont give a shot what you do, knock yaself out buddy, but dont whinge because some folk dont like the idea, or behave as though they attack you personally because it just makes you seem like your concience is telling you something, otherwise there is no reason to be so defensive.

 

[Olimpia]

Hmmm I'm going to have to side with the people who don't think "rude" is the appropriate term for the situation. What it is is a risky transaction if you don't get a live hatchling replacement for any eggs that didn't hatch, which this person is guaranteeing. In which case, I don't see any reason to bash this idea.

Personally I would go crazy waiting for an egg to hatch, and would rather purchase a live hatchling, but I don't see a real problem if the breeder is someone you can go meet in person.

 

[jojackson]

'Rude' is MY term for it, appropriateness is subjective too. Why quibble over definitions, I have made clear what I mean by 'Rude'.

 

[Vegas Chad]

This one is easy...

It’s the sellers eggs, he can do whatever wants with them.
It’s the buyers money which he can do whatever he wants with.


Opinion: By wary of what you are buying, chameleon eggs can be sensitive and take a long time to hatch. Be prepaid for a wait and possible disappointment. If you are cool with that, have at it.

 

[Syn]

There is a guy on another forum that sells crested eggs. Many people frown upon it (especially shipped), but like Chad said, it's your product, it's their money.

Who knows, maybe you can afford some supplies etc. doing this, but what if you get an unsatisfied customer, then what? *shrugs*

 

[LittleApollo]

But he's offering to give a baby to them if theirs doesn't hatch. Which I think is fine. Now, if he was selling hem without a guarentee then that's a different story. It just so happens that we seem to think he isn't giving a guarentee, so if you have a problem with it even afterwards then go ahead and discuss it but specifically say you aren't talking about what he's doing.

Also, I think the sandwich comparison works just fine! I bought some candy one time and there were bugs in it! I thought I new what I was buying... it turns out I still took a chance but I got a new one for free, just like what he is doing.

 

[QuioteCham]

I must understand the meaning of rude to be different than you do. It is not deliberatly discourteous or impolite (rude) to sell something.

It may be risky to buy. But that doesnt make it rude to sell.

What I am saying is "rude" is con-artist theory: The person could be purposefully selling a false or faulty product- No garuantee. Luckily in this case, its a real person from the forum that people obviously know and can account for. He is an honest cham breeder selling the eggs and chose to open the buyer's inventation to a more broad public. However, no one knew this was the case until he posted his identity so until that point who was to say it wasn't a fake or untruthful post on a very wide public domain website? In that respect, the idea was what I would call rude. The seller turned out to be legit and so was not "rude".

After all, we are talking about craigs list, a site known to contain the selling of "used under things", lol....

 

[sandrachameleon]

*...I disagree. A lizard, a sandwich, you know what your getting, Caveat emptor , eggs, not so.

er..no... if you buy an egg you know exactly what you are getting. An egg. LOL

if you dont know the seller's rep., it would be Kinda like buying a lottory ticket - no guarantee of a win. still legit though.

 

[QuioteCham]

The post in question was on CL, not the forum. So your identity was unknown to most of us. Now that we know who you are, its not an issue, but would you, yourself buy from a random breeder that no one can account for? Sell under the classifieds on the forum, people would hit you up for eggs much faster and debates like this wouldnt happen. Also, you were not being "bashed", youre unknown identity was being questioned for legitimacy.

 

[Warrix642]

The post in question was on CL, not the forum. So your identity was unknown to most of us. Now that we know who you are, its not an issue, but would you, yourself buy from a random breeder that no one can account for? Sell under the classifieds on the forum, people would hit you up for eggs much faster and debates like this wouldnt happen. Also, you were not being "bashed", youre unknown identity was being questioned for legitimacy.

I would have posted them on the forum but I don't wanna ship any, even I think that is too risky. I think there only a handful of people in Ohio on this forum and I know most of them already so I figured I would try CL. The guy who bought 2 was very knowledgeable on Panthers and had lots of pics to show me when he came over, so that made me feel like it was ok to sell him eggs. I would only sell to someone with a good knowledge about chams.

 

[JennyBug]

Wow...

I wasn't expecting some of the drama that came with this, but I did find out some good info!

Dustin - I didn't even think to ask you whether or not you were on this forum, but it totally makes sense. I am in Southern Indiana, so needless to say I don't see many Ambilobe panthers (or any chameleons, really) for sale in the area. Knowing you are a member of this forum would make me very comfortable purchasing a cham from you. Will the ambilobe babies be up for adoption when they are hatched?

 

[OldSkoolxReasons]

Personally I would not sell eggs just for the simple fact that if they did not hatch and I didn't have anything tot he buyers liking as a replacement I would feel terrible. Also if I were you I would keep as many of those red body blue barred eggs as you can, you obviously know about cham genetics and how alot of the time male don't turn out qute the way the sire does. Hell I have seen ambilobes that fire up lime grren and pale yellow come from a completely red body blue bar sire that was bred with a completely red bodied blue bar bloodline female. I'm keeping all my WC red body blue bar sired eggs that were prduced by an anubis jr bloodline female, and I currently have 92 in the incubator from one breeding and two layings. Now I don't plan on breeding the female again due to the giant clutches she lays and the toll it takes on her. But obviously I'm going to hold most of them back so I get my few picks of the litter, I would bwe very upset if the one eggs I sold ended up being the craziest red body blue barred male that anyone has ever seen. but thats just me.


Justin

P.S. I can't wait to see the little males when they hatch out, they should be stunning.