Please give advice LOOKS like 1 small egg

[jannb]

This morning when Camille took her morning poop, what looks to be one small egg came out with the poop. Also her vent seemed to be puching out more than usual. I have pictures of the poop and egg but the ones of her vent are not clear at all.......I was going to retake but now her vent looks normal. She has laying bins (3 of them) she normally free ranges but I now have her in a cage with a freshly moistened bin that I started a hole to make sure the sand has the right mositure. She's up high on a branch under the light. She mated with Luie on July 10 and she has been gaining weight on an average of 12 grams a week since the mating.

Has anyone seen this before? Her vet, Dr. Alfonso is out of town until tomorrow. What should I do? I attached pics of the egg and poop and her poop has been looking more orange than usually for the past few days. I do see her drink from the dripper and a dropper that I give her water from. She eat yesterday, 4 crickets, 6 phoenix worms and 1 med. to small size hornworm. I feed her this amount 3 times a week. She has not been roaming around. She layed an infertile clutch of 46 eggs on May 15th and the infertile eggs were much bigger that the one today.

Please advise on what to do.
Jann

 

[bradley]

that does look like an egg. the best you can do is put it ino you incubating setup and wait and see if it callapses or moulds

 

[Miss Lily]

That is an egg. Lily dropped a single one a day or so before she laid her second clutch - had me in a right panic! Camille must be close to laying - do the dates match up to make this possible?

Edit - Lily's infertiles were all quite small apart from the odd one or two.

 

[jannb]

Bradley; thanks for your reply but I'm not really worried about the egg. It's my female that has me worried.

Tiff; I've heard that it's usually 30 days after mating before eggs but not sure.

 

[Miss Lily]

Can veileds drop a dud egg before cycling a fertile clutch, like live bearers lay slugs? Maybe that one 'wasn't right' and she dumped it to concentrate on the others.

 

[kinyonga]

It could be an infertile egg that she was just getting rid of.

Generally it is about 30 days from mating to laying, but it depends on when she is mated within her cycle. If I remember correctly this is their first mating...right? Did she lay eggs before that? When?

 

[Brad Ramsey]

One of my females (Alice, the low end trans) had a similar experience.
After laying her clutch she dropped 3 more eggs over the next month and a half.
She is fine and I cannot feel anything more in her.
I was worried but did not take her to the vet as she continued to eat and drink and behave normally through this period.
She did not cycle a second clutch within the usual time and I have not bred her again since she had this issue.

this was her first clutch.

-Brad

 

[jannb]

It could be an infertile egg that she was just getting rid of.

Generally it is about 30 days from mating to laying, but it depends on when she is mated within her cycle. If I remember correctly this is their first mating...right? Did she lay eggs before that? When?

Yes, it was her first mating. She layed an infertile clutch of 46 eggs on May 15th.

 

[kinyonga]

If it was later in the cycle I would have said she could lay earlier than the normal 30ish days and then go on to lay a fertile clutch...but it sounds like she was mated mid-cycle and should lay at about 30 days. (I'm still trying to correlate the exact dates and the resulting laying dates. It would be a lot easier if I worked with 50 or 60 females at a time!)

 

[chamelisa]

It would be a lot easier if I worked with 50 or 60 females at a time!)

Easier?! I'd be pulling my hair out! I know that was taken slightly out of context. Sometimes I can't help myself.

 

[Rocky]

Our female panther dropped an egg like that about 2 days before she laid her eggs. It was a bit stressful because we thought it meant she needed to lay but wasn't comfortable enough to dig. Luckily she did lay her eggs.

 

[jannb]

Thanks for your input everyone. She seems fine. I put her back in her room in her trees and I closed the door to give her privacy in case she wanted to check out her laying bin but the couple of times that I checked on her she's been sitting in the top of her tree. The thing that really worries me is that I leave to go out of town in the morning and she'll be in my husband's care but he promises to come home from work and check on her a couple time through the day.....he works very close to the house. Jann

 

[ChrisnLisa]

Jann- We had a similiar experience with one of our panther girls. This was her first mating, as well as clutch. She dropped one single dud egg, but layed the rest two days later with no problem. The eggs were layed about two weeks after mating and they all turned out to be infertile. I was very freaked out because it was so soon after laying, so I immediately put a towel over her cage for privacy. Everything ended up being just fine. She layed a retained clutch of 30 eggs 2 months later.

 

[jannb]

Jann- We had a similiar experience with one of our panther girls. This was her first mating, as well as clutch. She dropped one single dud egg, but layed the rest two days later with no problem. The eggs were layed about two weeks after mating and they all turned out to be infertile. I was very freaked out because it was so soon after laying, so I immediately put a towel over her cage for privacy. Everything ended up being just fine. She layed a retained clutch of 30 eggs 2 months later.

Thank you for posting the info. Was the 2nd clutch fertile?

 

[ChrisnLisa]

Yes they all were. I have one sweating as we speak. Only one has gone bad, and that was about a week ago...very late into incubation

 

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