Panther morphs

[Chameleonboyboy]

Was wondering if this is the right place to post. Just a newbie trying to understand some terms and also learn more of the morphs that are created.

Was checking out some of the site sponsors site and was confused at the types of different panther names. May I ask if anyone can tell me what defines the following?

1. Hold backs?
2. Panther morph crosses?

So when I google panther morphs, it says that it is done by breeding 2 morphs together. I am confused as in how do u get a morph in the first place? Is it by breeding for example a nosy be to a nosy flay or ambobile?

Is there a thread or line sheet on what kind of cross/morph would produce what kind of colourways?

Y is there breeders that advertise young chams as 35%ambanja 45%tamavate30%nosy. How is it possible to mix all at the same time?

Also saw from breeding section that there are ways to control hatching durations by adjusting temps in the day n nite resulting in controlled hatching of about 6mths. Is it possible?

Also f1 generation to maybe f5, does it means the different clutches ?


Chamboyboy
Cheers

 

[carol5208]

a hold back is a chameleon that the breeder keeps because it shows the most promise for turning out as a future breeder because of the way its colors are progressing. A morph is a cross and the way you get 3 different locales such as ambanja, sambava, ambilobe etc is from breeding down the line. For instance if a breeder breeds a sambava and ambanja then you got 50% of each. Now one of their babies is raised and then bred with an ambilobe and now you got 33% of each locale. I believe that is how it works!!

 

[ChuWuti]

I'm guessing the F1 to F5 means going from the original parents to children of children of children of children, not merely different clutches. But I'm not an expert, and the glossary doesn't address this, so I hope a more knowledgeable member jumps in!

Here's the glossary, which helps with some questions: https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/glossary/#B

and my thanks to Carol5208 for answering these questions; I learned more through this thread!

Sandy

 

[Kaianuanu]

a hold back is a chameleon that the breeder keeps because it shows the most promise for turning out as a future breeder because of the way its colors are progressing. A morph is a cross and the way you get 3 different locales such as ambanja, sambava, ambilobe etc is from breeding down the line. For instance if a breeder breeds a sambava and ambanja then you got 50% of each. Now one of their babies is raised and then bred with an ambilobe and now you got 33% of each locale. I believe that is how it works!!

That would result in a Cham that is 50% ambilobe, 25% ambanja, and 25% sambava.

As for the OP, understand that the the color varieties that you are calling "morphs" are not morphs but "locales" in the sense that they are naturally occurring and each locale comes from different part of Madagascar. For instance, on the island of Nosy Be, the male panthers are blue. Generally, morphs are mutations that are extremely rare in the wild, but are easily produced in captivity through selective breeding. An example of morphs would be like you see in leopard geckos.

 

[Kaianuanu]

Is there a thread or line sheet on what kind of cross/morph would produce what kind of colourways?

Y is there breeders that advertise young chams as 35%ambanja 45%tamavate30%nosy. How is it possible to mix all at the same time?

You can't reliably predict the outcome of cross locales because the say you bred an ambilobe to a nosy be, two very different locales. Within the same clutch, you could get some that look almost like full blood nosy Bes, some that look like ambilobes, and some that look completely different from both parents.

I doubt they would advertise 110% of a chameleon unless they failed algebra. Anyway, you would get a chameleon that is a cross of more than two locales by breeding parents that are already crosses of different locales.

 

[Chameleonboyboy]

Lolx yes I failed my algebra

Wow many thanks for all the infos. Is there a guideline on how morph breeding is done and which are the better locales to do it?


Chamboyboy
Cheers
Keep it coming

 

[carol5208]

That would result in a Cham that is 50% ambilobe, 25% ambanja, and 25% sambava.

As for the OP, understand that the the color varieties that you are calling "morphs" are not morphs but "locales" in the sense that they are naturally occurring and each locale comes from different part of Madagascar. For instance, on the island of Nosy Be, the male panthers are blue. Generally, morphs are mutations that are extremely rare in the wild, but are easily produced in captivity through selective breeding. An example of morphs would be like you see in leopard geckos.

lol I have never been good at math, you get the picture what I mean!!!

 

[carol5208]

I'm guessing the F1 to F5 means going from the original parents to children of children of children of children, not merely different clutches. But I'm not an expert, and the glossary doesn't address this, so I hope a more knowledgeable member jumps in!

Here's the glossary, which helps with some questions: https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/glossary/#B

and my thanks to Carol5208 for answering these questions; I learned more through this thread!

Sandy

haha even though I don't know how to add!