Not seeing any urates???

jbrough42

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Chameleon Info:
-Your Chameleon - 4.5 month old male veiled, I've had him about 2.5 months
-Handling - I only handle him about once a month long enough to take him out and put him in his small temporary enclousure for an hour while I fully clean his normal enclosure
-Feeding - He eats primarly crickets and the occasional meal worm (he's a picky eater). He was eating about 20 to 25/day; he's been on a quasi-hunger strike for a few days since his last cage cleaning... I don't think I put his stuff back properly and I think it stressed him out (still eating 3-5/day though). His crickets are gut-loaded with bug burger and a mix of kale, potato, carrot, and apple.
-Supplements - His crickets are dusted daily with exo-terra calcium supp without D3. And on the 1st and 15th of each month his crickets are dusted with Miner-All Calcium/minera supplement, outdoor (with d3 and multivitamin)
-Watering - He gets a 5 minute misting (via mistking setup) about every 2.5 hours, I almost never see him drink... He is shy though. If I'm watching him he is more concerned with hiding than he is with drinking.
-Fecal Description - His feces is always well formed and darkish brown his urates are normally white. a week ago he had a large bowel movement with normal feces but unusually watery urate. The past couple of days I have seen no urates at all. Never been tested for parasites
-History - purchased from FLchams and he's been healthy since I got him

Cage Info:
-Cage Type - Its a custom build wood and screen cage diminsions are about 24x24x50
-Lighting - he has a 75 watt basking bulb (normal incandescent) and a reptisun 10.0 UVB. It's on a 12/12 cycle (no night lights)
-Temperature - His primary basking spot is 87 F, there is a gradient that goes to 75 near the bottom. He has a secondary basking spot about half way down that is about 82. Measured with two digital thermometers with probes. His night temp is about 68-70.
-Humidity - Humididty is about 85 right after misting and drops to around 40-50 inbetween mistings. Last night I added a humidifier. He has curtians on the sides of the cage to keep moisture in. Measured with a digital probe style hydrometere.
-Plants - He has a Benjamin Ficus and a golden Pothos both are quite healthy so he has pretty dense foliage
-Placement - Cage is in a very small foyer area attached to my bedroom (separated with a curtian), very low traffic. The only vent in there is closed. the top of the cage is about 6ft off the ground.
-Location - We live in North Florida

Current Problem - He isn't eating anywhere near the normal amount and over the past couple of days I haven't seen any urates at all in his droppings. The feces is still normal though. At no point did I ever see any orange urates, they always looked perfectely normal until they disappeared altogether... I'm concerned he is having some kind of kidney issue. Other than this he looks and acts perfectly normal. He is quite active... no sunken eyes... he's not gaunt... his eyes are always open and moving around actively. I'm at a loss.
 
Sorry for the bump, I wanted to make sure some of the experienced keepers had a chance to weigh in before the thread for buried
 
Did you look on all the leaves and in the plant's pot? Sometimes the urate will detach from the poop on the way down when it hits branches and leaves.
 
I did look around and couldn't find anything... it was with 3 separate droppings over the last few days. One of them dropped to the floor of the cage without hitting any leaves, and there were no urates to be found
 
Hopefully, someone with more experience will see this and have more information for you. I haven't been keeping chameleons for very long, so I haven't seen this, yet. I've always found them "hidden" in the flower pot or on a leaf. Can you get him something juicy like a hornworm or a silkworm? Will he eat any fruits or veggies that are full of water? I've read that some veileds like them, but I've never had one. Sorry I'm not much help, hope you see some nice white urates soon.
 
Actually as soon as I saw the first dropping with no urates attached, I immediately ordered some hornworms. They will be here today, so I'm going to give that a try this evening. He's never had them before, I hope he likes them. Lol. He's eaten mango in the past... perhaps I'll see if he's still fond of it
 
My panther, Oscar, loves hornworms. But only while they're on the smaller side. He won't eat them when the get about 2 inches long. I wonder if their taste changes or something? I hope your guy likes them, too.
 
I ordered them from great lakes and the guy there is very nice, I emailed him and asked if he could make sure that they were on the smaller side so that my little guy would be able to handle them... he was happy to oblige :D
 
That's where I get mine from, too! They've been wonderful to order from. I buy their horn worm egg cups, too. That way I get itty bitty ones to feed to my anole. :) Their crickets are great, too.
 
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