Need Help With My Veiled

[leobr1to]

Chameleon Info:

• Your Chameleon - Veiled Chameleon, Female, Actual age may be 8 months, Has been under my care for 5 months
• Handling - I try to hold her and hang out with her atleast once during the week and for a few hours on saturdays and sundays.
• Feeding - Crickets and kale. I feed crickets in a container at the bottom of her cage. I put more in (5 at a time) when she has eaten almost all the others. They are dusted and the crickets eat kale, carrots, red bell peppers and bearded dragon food pellets.
• Supplements - Crickets are dusted with Repti Calcium D3 everytime I feed her. I also give her around 1 drop of Flukers Liquid Vitamin every 2 weeks as it is sometimes hard to get her to take it.
• Watering - I have a fogger constantly running that keeps moisture in the cage always above 40%. I spray down the cage and plants in the mornings and at night usually a few hours before I turn the lights off.
• Fecal Description - No parasites (cleared by vet) and fecal matter is that of the "Healthy" type described in the poop thread.
• History - I bought her with these brown spots already on her. The pet store told me at first that she was just going through a rough shed.

Cage Info:

• Cage Type - Screen cage 24x24x36.
• Lighting - 12 hours of Zoo Med Basking bulb and a fluorescent bulb. Ceramic bulb for night time heating.
• Temperature - Highest temps are at basking area-85F, lowest temp at bottom of the cage is-75+F. I have a thermometer to measure the bottom of the cage and a hygrometer that also records temp for the basking area.
• Humidity - I use a hygrometer. The cage is always 40%+ and when I mist it gets to approx 60%.
• Plants - No live plants currently.
• Placement - The cage is not near a vent or anything, but the temperatures of the area it is in fluctuate throughout the day between 74F and 76F, no more and no less.
• Location - Southern Florida

Current Problem - Brown spots on my chameleon have been there since I bought her, but are not seeming to get larger and more prominent. I'm not sure what they are and could use any help if possible.

 

[kinyonga]

I think I would take her to a vet.

Does she have a place to layneggs in her cage?

 

[Chameleon Crazy Chick]

Calcium with D3 every day isn't good. It should be around twice a month, with calcium WITHOUT D3 every day.
Constant fogging may cause RI if you don't have good ventilation...
That is definitely NOT not a good shed. It looks like something's wrong with her lips..... did the petstore give any details?

 

[leobr1to]

I think I would take her to a vet.

Does she have a place to layneggs in her cage?

She just finished laying last week, 28 eggs all around the size of a jelly bean.

 

[leobr1to]

Calcium with D3 every day isn't good. It should be around twice a month, with calcium WITHOUT D3 every day.
Constant fogging may cause RI if you don't have good ventilation...
That is definitely NOT not a good shed. It looks like something's wrong with her lips..... did the petstore give any details?

Ok will order the calcium without D3 for her. What does Rl mean and I have all four sides with screen and the air in the room isn't stagnant. The petstore simply told me that it was just a rough shed but I think this might be something else because it seems to spread and the center areas get dry and hard while around it is soft. The issue with her lips just arose yesterday overnight and is only on the side I showed. Her spots seems to only be on one side of her body and I dont know why.

 

[opheliaeatsbugs]

I feel bad for her, and you must be so worried

It definitely looks like she needs to see a vet. Are the patches dry/crusty?

There are a few things that need to be adjusted in her general care but if I were you, a vet would happen asap.

Fogger shouldn't run all the time. Things need to dry out in between. I've been advised to not use a ceramic heater at night because a drop in temperature over night is actually good for their metabolism. Read the forum care sheet (I'd attach it but my phone won't let me, sorry) it will get your supplementation on track. You may think about adding in a variety of feeders like dubia roaches and black soldier fly larvae, etc. Having some live plants in her enclosure will help keep the humidity up.

She's had this condition for about 5 months? It's time to take her to see a vet.

 

[kinyonga]

The lips could be the beginning of MBD...so using a phosphorous-free calcium powder at most feedings might correct it.

 

[leobr1to]

I feel bad for her, and you must be so worried

It definitely looks like she needs to see a vet. Are the patches dry/crusty?

There are a few things that need to be adjusted in her general care but if I were you, a vet would happen asap.

Fogger shouldn't run all the time. Things need to dry out in between. I've been advised to not use a ceramic heater at night because a drop in temperature over night is actually good for their metabolism. Read the forum care sheet (I'd attach it but my phone won't let me, sorry) it will get your supplementation on track. You may think about adding in a variety of feeders like dubia roaches and black soldier fly larvae, etc. Having some live plants in her enclosure will help keep the humidity up.

She's had this condition for about 5 months? It's time to take her to see a vet.

Dubia roaches are illegal in my state and every site I seem to go to is out of stock of discoid roaches. I have tried feeding her super worms, meal worms and wax worms but she clearly prefers crickets over those.
She has been taken to a vet around a month ago and the vet recommended I make sure to keep moisture levels above 40% and I have ever since, yet the spots seem to get bigger which is why I'm seeking help on here.
I have school and sports after school so I leave in the morning and come back around 10-12 hours later. If I spray down her entire cage in the morning and then when I get back do you think it would keep the moisture high enough without the fogger?
What types of plants that arent too expensive would you recommend for the cage since some stuff I read online isn't always right and I've learned that the hard way with my feeder setups.
I will check the care sheet for more info.
Thank you

 

[opheliaeatsbugs]

Dubia roaches are illegal in my state and every site I seem to go to is out of stock of discoid roaches. I have tried feeding her super worms, meal worms and wax worms but she clearly prefers crickets over those.
She has been taken to a vet around a month ago and the vet recommended I make sure to keep moisture levels above 40% and I have ever since, yet the spots seem to get bigger which is why I'm seeking help on here.
I have school and sports after school so I leave in the morning and come back around 10-12 hours later. If I spray down her entire cage in the morning and then when I get back do you think it would keep the moisture high enough without the fogger?
What types of plants that arent too expensive would you recommend for the cage since some stuff I read online isn't always right and I've learned that the hard way with my feeder setups.
I will check the care sheet for more info.
Thank you

Did the vet say what the spots were? are they rough/dry? I'm assuming they are and that's why the vet said keep the humidity up? (Sorry for so many questions . .. I'd just like to know what the vetstatus diagnosis was?

 

[leobr1to]

Did the vet say what the spots were? are they rough/dry? I'm assuming they are and that's why the vet said keep the humidity up? (Sorry for so many questions . .. I'd just like to know what the vetstatus diagnosis was?

Yes the spots are dry towards the middle and ontop of her tail is very dry, hence why she said keep the humidity up. The vet said that she didn't know exactly what they were but just told me to keep the humidity up and it should go away, but clearly it hasn't.

 

[opheliaeatsbugs]

Yes the spots are dry towards the middle and ontop of her tail is very dry, hence why she said keep the humidity up. The vet said that she didn't know exactly what they were but just told me to keep the humidity up and it should go away, but clearly it hasn't.

I'm putting myself in your shoes - I'd be frustrated the vet didn't have more info and I'd probably go somewhere else for another opinion.

 

[Nursemaia]

That looks like yellow fungus

 

[kinyonga]

Bearded dragons get yellow fungus (N. guarroi). Never heard of a chameleon getting it... chameleons get CANV and I've never seen CANV look like that.

http://jcm.asm.org/content/51/10/3338.full

 

[Nursemaia]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4199725/

 

[kinyonga]

Dr. Jean A. Pare was my vet and I took my Parsons chameleon to him with lesions that appeared on him a couple of weeks after I got him. The jewelled chameleon in the study was mine too. This led to Jean studying the fungus and working with Lynne Sigler on it. Jean also worked on yellow fungus and studies where veiled chameleons were infected with it.

It will be interesting to see what it is on the OP's chameleon.

 

[kinyonga]

Leobr1to....did you get her to the vet?

 

[leobr1to]

To update anyone concerned she has been taken to a new vet that specializes in chameleons and is currently on medication for yellow fungus. They are currently doing a culture to see the severity of her exposure and I will receive results next week. The vet was glad I was able to bring her to him and when I explained to him the situation with my previous vet he was disappointed to hear what the previous vet had done, but glad to see I did the right thing to bring her to somewhere else as I didn't see any positive results from what the previous vet had done. She is also being fed crickets dusted in calcium without D3 as recommended by the care-sheet and users who replied. The vet also recommended that I keep the ceramic heat bulb on at night to keep her body from getting cold and slowing the healing process. I've also be trying a variety of greens to keep her diet varied as she no longer seems interested in just kale anymore. I will post more pictures when she is looking healthier to show progress. Thank you for everyone who helped me and encouraged me to go to the vet.

 

[opheliaeatsbugs]

@leobr1to I am so happy to hear that you have her on track to clear up the fungus! Thank you for replying with her diagnosis and I'm sure we are all excited to see progress pictures!

 

[opheliaeatsbugs]

To update anyone concerned she has been taken to a new vet that specializes in chameleons and is currently on medication for yellow fungus. They are currently doing a culture to see the severity of her exposure and I will receive results next week. The vet was glad I was able to bring her to him and when I explained to him the situation with my previous vet he was disappointed to hear what the previous vet had done, but glad to see I did the right thing to bring her to somewhere else as I didn't see any positive results from what the previous vet had done. She is also being fed crickets dusted in calcium without D3 as recommended by the care-sheet and users who replied. The vet also recommended that I keep the ceramic heat bulb on at night to keep her body from getting cold and slowing the healing process. I've also be trying a variety of greens to keep her diet varied as she no longer seems interested in just kale anymore. I will post more pictures when she is looking healthier to show progress. Thank you for everyone who helped me and encouraged me to go to the vet.

Did the vet say that she would fully recover?

 

[leobr1to]

Did the vet say that she would fully recover?

The vet said we wouldn't know until the culture came back. He did say he thinks my husbandry has been great and she is very likely to recover fully on this track so long as nothing astounding arises in the results.