Morphs?

[chameleon guy]

Hi all! First off i want to say about this thread is NO ARGUMENTS PLEASE Okay so I just wanted to hear everyone's opinions on morph chameleons. I'll start. I think they are pretty cool. You get awesome colors and may learn new things through morphs. I also like them because I like to think outside of the box and I think morphs allow that. This applies to translucent veileds and panther crosses. Just curious about what you guys think.

 

[Gluuvan]

I think it is great. Only thing is, that I wish there was more quality control in breeding morphs. Its a bummer when you are after a nosy be female and you get a ambilobe/nosy be hybrid. They show amazing color and are awesome like all other chams. But the breeder needs to keep logs on them.

 

[Chameleons Northwest]

Well, since you started this thread, just be careful with your terminology. In panther chameleons, for instance, a locale is the same as a morph. Any panther you get will be considered a morph. A combination of more than one morph, or more than one locale, is a cross-morph. And there-in lies the controversy.

 

[chameleon guy]

I think it is great. Only thing is, that I wish there was more quality control in breeding morphs. Its a bummer when you are after a nosy be female and you get a ambilobe/nosy be hybrid. They show amazing color and are awesome like all other chams. But the breeder needs to keep logs on them.

That's true, I think it's best to buy a morph from a breeder that is keeping track of what they were morphed with.

 

[Rickky]

Personally I think morphs are very interesting....It puts you outside of the ordinary...You take a step out the box...I definitely like the pures also....Its all about what u personally like...But vote yes for morphs...

 

[merumontanus]

Personally I think morphs are very interesting....It puts you outside of the ordinary...You take a step out the box...I definitely like the pures also....Its all about what u personally like...But vote yes for morphs...

"Pure" = Morph = Locale

See gesang's post...

 

[Rickky]

"hybrid" is wat is meant

 

[Todnedo]

I see no reason to EVER cross panthers!
With that being said look at these 3 brothers from the same clutch of Ambanjas.





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[chameleon guy]

Fine hybrids is what I am talking about.

 

[chambabysitter1]

Fine hybrids is what I am talking about.

Excellent counter argument. This thread is really informative.

 

[merumontanus]

"hybrid" is wat is meant

Well, not quite. Hybrids are crosses between species, or in the case of intergrades (crosses between subspecies), intra-specific hybrids-- none of which apply to pardalis locales as they are a single species.

Fabián

 

[Sang]

"cross locality" Inter-species? hmm


who knows.


i don't see much reason for crossing locals unless your aiming for a very specific color combo or trait, even then that will take numerous attempts to achieve what you want and even harder to continue that trait genetically in further generations.

 

[viaje]

First, I'd like to say that I am a person who's other hobby is spending a lot of time researching dog's pedigrees and different breed's standards- I have a lot of respect for the individual breeds because of their purposes and diversity, especially the regional differences that occur (like we're talking about here.) I think it's an insult to the breeds to cross them and produce "designer breeds."
I feel that this last point applies very much to the topic at hand.

I really don't see much reason to breed cross-locales, in my opinion there is such an incredible variety of Panthers out there that there isn't a reason to. If people do still do it (as they will) I think it's important to keep very close track of what bloodlines are in the animal, so people buying the offspring know.

I agree with Sang, the only reason I would see crossing locales as acceptable is if you were bringing out a trait (ex. if a transleucent gene showed up in animals of two separate locales) it wouldn't be hard to justify breeding the pair.