Chameleonbider
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I have pictures on a memory card how do I move it to this site to post it?
Mbd!!!!!!!!
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Chameleonbider
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I'm working on it I will post them tomorrow
Chameleonbider
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PardalisGirl
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Deformities.....
Once we see what his legs look like we can give you a better idea of what will happen as he ages. If it's not too severe now, than it will not be obvious to a casual observer later as he ages. The most severe deformaties occur when the bones actually "break". The bowing occurs as the bones become sponge-like due to lake of calcium. Sponges are flexable. Normal bones are not. Handle him very carefully until he is recovered. Don't pull him off of branches, etc. Those bones are very fragile now. Excess handling or falls can cause these frail bones to break.
Once we see what his legs look like we can give you a better idea of what will happen as he ages. If it's not too severe now, than it will not be obvious to a casual observer later as he ages. The most severe deformaties occur when the bones actually "break". The bowing occurs as the bones become sponge-like due to lake of calcium. Sponges are flexable. Normal bones are not. Handle him very carefully until he is recovered. Don't pull him off of branches, etc. Those bones are very fragile now. Excess handling or falls can cause these frail bones to break.
Chameleonbider
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the only way i could figure it out was to set it as my avatar after everybody looks i send a couple more.
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Chameleonbider
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did it work i posted two pictures but all that shows up is a little red x and it says img?
PardalisGirl
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My comments.....
More pictures somehow would be good, but your Avatar picture says a lot. That back left leg has actually broken. That isn't just bowing. It will heal better if it was splinted for support during recovery. That will allow it to become solid again in a more straight manner. If it's not splinted it is going to become solid in that position because it is actually broken. Fibrous material will also grow around the area too as her body's method of healing. That process will also make the leg have a big bump along with being crooked. Does the other back leg look like that?
The splinting does not have to be elaborate to provide support. You just need two items that you can get at the drug store. You need a roll of 2" wide flexible wrapping bandage. They make it for people which is usually beige in color. You can buy it at the drug store. Here is a link to what vets use so you can see what it looks like. It has a rough texture like gauze but is slightly sticky. It comes in colors but is the same as the stuff they make for people:
http://www.amazon.com/PetFlex-A-Flexible-Cohesive-Bandage/dp/B002BZYXLO
Then you need a roll of 1" wide white porous "stickie" tape. There are two types of white tape that is sold for first aid purposes. The type you don't want is not porous and it's much stiffer. It's hard to work with and it actually does not stick that well. You want the porous stuff that feels like it's made of cloth. If you can't find it I can send you a roll if you PM me your address. I've got lots on hand.
This is what you do....you cut the 2" wide stuff to a width that will cover the long bone of the affected leg. You want it to cover below the knee and above the foot. Make the strip about 2" long. Then cut a piece of the white sticky tape to the same width and about 3/4" long. To cut the white tape with ease you use the scissors to make a nick in the tape at the width you want and tear the tape to the length you want. Otherwise it sticks to the scissors.
Secure your cham's body (help from another person is good) by wrapping her carefully in a clean wash cloth so that the leg and tail are the only things showing. You want to be careful so you don't break any other soft bones. Wrap the stretchy piece around the bone. It needs to be secure but not so tight it will stop blood flow. After you get that right, tape the white tape around it to secure it and give it a little extra support. The first tape will not stick to the skin but won't stay secure by itself. The white tape would stick to the skin if used alone. It also adds extra support.
If the foot looks swollen the next day then it's too tight. Take it off and redo it. This is enough support to straighten the bone and support it during the process of recalcification. The bone won't be perfect but it will be a whole lot better than just leaving it alone. Three years ago I had an Ambanja that got MBD due to a faulty UVB tube during it's critical months of growing. I used this technique (suggested by my vet) and it worked great. It was used on a hind leg and a front leg on this chameleon.
Every week you would take it off and assess improvement or lack of it. Let me know if you have other questions. I still recommend going to a vet familiar with reptiles. If that is totally not possible than you can try this yourself. I don't advocate people playing vet themselves rather than going to a professional. However, if a vet visit just isn't going to happen, this is something that is effectively and fairly easy to do.
More pictures somehow would be good, but your Avatar picture says a lot. That back left leg has actually broken. That isn't just bowing. It will heal better if it was splinted for support during recovery. That will allow it to become solid again in a more straight manner. If it's not splinted it is going to become solid in that position because it is actually broken. Fibrous material will also grow around the area too as her body's method of healing. That process will also make the leg have a big bump along with being crooked. Does the other back leg look like that?
The splinting does not have to be elaborate to provide support. You just need two items that you can get at the drug store. You need a roll of 2" wide flexible wrapping bandage. They make it for people which is usually beige in color. You can buy it at the drug store. Here is a link to what vets use so you can see what it looks like. It has a rough texture like gauze but is slightly sticky. It comes in colors but is the same as the stuff they make for people:
http://www.amazon.com/PetFlex-A-Flexible-Cohesive-Bandage/dp/B002BZYXLO
Then you need a roll of 1" wide white porous "stickie" tape. There are two types of white tape that is sold for first aid purposes. The type you don't want is not porous and it's much stiffer. It's hard to work with and it actually does not stick that well. You want the porous stuff that feels like it's made of cloth. If you can't find it I can send you a roll if you PM me your address. I've got lots on hand.
This is what you do....you cut the 2" wide stuff to a width that will cover the long bone of the affected leg. You want it to cover below the knee and above the foot. Make the strip about 2" long. Then cut a piece of the white sticky tape to the same width and about 3/4" long. To cut the white tape with ease you use the scissors to make a nick in the tape at the width you want and tear the tape to the length you want. Otherwise it sticks to the scissors.
Secure your cham's body (help from another person is good) by wrapping her carefully in a clean wash cloth so that the leg and tail are the only things showing. You want to be careful so you don't break any other soft bones. Wrap the stretchy piece around the bone. It needs to be secure but not so tight it will stop blood flow. After you get that right, tape the white tape around it to secure it and give it a little extra support. The first tape will not stick to the skin but won't stay secure by itself. The white tape would stick to the skin if used alone. It also adds extra support.
If the foot looks swollen the next day then it's too tight. Take it off and redo it. This is enough support to straighten the bone and support it during the process of recalcification. The bone won't be perfect but it will be a whole lot better than just leaving it alone. Three years ago I had an Ambanja that got MBD due to a faulty UVB tube during it's critical months of growing. I used this technique (suggested by my vet) and it worked great. It was used on a hind leg and a front leg on this chameleon.
Every week you would take it off and assess improvement or lack of it. Let me know if you have other questions. I still recommend going to a vet familiar with reptiles. If that is totally not possible than you can try this yourself. I don't advocate people playing vet themselves rather than going to a professional. However, if a vet visit just isn't going to happen, this is something that is effectively and fairly easy to do.
Chameleonbider
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Thanks for all the info. How had is this to do their are no reptile vets hear so this is my best option. Do I just wrap the whole leg from body to foot? it is very close to the knee where the breakage must have happened.
Chameleonbider
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look at my new avatar this is another picture of the leg the frot is not as bad it just has a bump
Chameleonbider
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i also another question i have an 11 month old female veiled i think she is pregnant but in not sure. is thier any specific sings other than just a large belly?
Chameleonbider
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ok thanks ill just go above the knee then. on my new avatar you might be able to see the bump on the front leg other than the two left legs the others look good.
pssh
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Some will look like a sack of marbles with bumps on theur sides about the size of marbles. Make sure she has a laying bin. Before she lays the eggs she may stop eating for a couple days. While she lays her eggs don't let her see you or she may become egg bound and die. Only go it and remove the laying bin and stuff after she has returned to the branches. If you lower her temps to about 80-83 a few days after she lays her eggs you can try to stop her from laying ever again. You also need to feed her 6-8 crickets (or equivalent of) about 3 times a week a few days after she is done laying.
Chameleonbider
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ok she doesnt look like that just fat.
jojackson
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Immeadiately....Vet for treatment
Long term....Natural sunlight, Natural Sunlight, and more...Natural Sunlight!
Bulbs should also be considered Supplimentary. Varied, balanced (well gutloaded) diet is also important.
Females should be well conditioned if you suspect they are with eggs since egg production requires much calcium reserve.
Long term....Natural sunlight, Natural Sunlight, and more...Natural Sunlight!
Bulbs should also be considered Supplimentary. Varied, balanced (well gutloaded) diet is also important.
Females should be well conditioned if you suspect they are with eggs since egg production requires much calcium reserve.
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