Lost chameleon found in Lake county, Florida

[Carlton]

1. Easy food source

2. Remember pangea?

You mean pythons preying on chams? Not as likely as pythons preying on warm blooded mammals! Pythons hunt more by body heat and scent...neither of which chams offer much of. Larger pythons won't bother with such small prey.

Pangea was a LONG LONG TIME AGO. Since then entire continents and ecosystems have diversified to become completely distinct. Chams did not evolve in what was to become FL from pangea. However, there are many species that did, and chams are predators. They don't belong in HI either for the same reasons.

 

[LeeroyJenkins]

You mean pythons preying on chams? Not as likely as pythons preying on warm blooded mammals! Pythons hunt more by body heat and scent...neither of which chams offer much of. Larger pythons won't bother with such small prey.

Pangea was a LONG LONG TIME AGO. Since then entire continents and ecosystems have diversified to become completely distinct. Chams did not evolve in what was to become FL from pangea. However, there are many species that did, and chams are predators. They don't belong in HI either for the same reasons.

But what are the effects on the ecosystem chams cause? That was my point, It doesn't matter if they are not native to Florida or Hawaii if they are not having a extremely negative affect on the ecosystem already in place. I dont see why every thinks that these reptilians are ruining a ecosystem when HUMANS are the only problem I see. The earth changes and has been changing since this rock sprung life.

Edit: And If a python had the chance to snatch a fat male veiled off a tree that it just so happened to be in I wouldn't doubt that It would.

 

[Chase]

But what are the effects on the ecosystem chams cause? That was my point, It doesn't matter if they are not native to Florida or Hawaii if they are not having a extremely negative affect on the ecosystem already in place. I dont see why every thinks that these reptilians are ruining a ecosystem when HUMANS are the only problem I see. The earth changes and has been changing since this rock sprung life.

Edit: And If a python had the chance to snatch a fat male veiled off a tree that it just so happened to be in I wouldn't doubt that It would.

So you're telling me that thousands of huge snakes wouldn't mess up anything? So I guess they just live and don't eat anything like rabbits, or deer.

Oh, and when was the last time you saw a 13 foot python up in trees with a chameleon?

Chase

 

[LeeroyJenkins]

So you're telling me that thousands of huge snakes wouldn't mess up anything? So I guess they just live and don't eat anything like rabbits, or deer.

Oh, and when was the last time you saw a 13 foot python up in trees with a chameleon?

Chase

First of all, I didn't say a "a 13 foot python up in trees with a chameleon".

Secondly, your opinion is that snakes are the soul reason of the problem and not the fact the exotic reptile owners can just get rid of there pets when they get to big because they can survive in the habitat provided. Snakes are not the problem, being able to own any snake in and environment where they can thrive and change a ecosystem is a bad idea right? 7 Billion people cant all be responsible. So with that said this, a change in the ecosystem, man made or not, still has changed and really doesn't bother me that much considering there are ******* hippos in mexico. Ecosystems change even if human interaction does not happen.

And I said chameleons probably couldn't, other then maybe taking out a bunch of insects and certain lizards in that area. I can see how just that small amount could flip the tables but I really doubt that's gonna happen.

Edit: This is so off topic btw.

 

[Carlton]

And I said chameleons probably couldn't, other then maybe taking out a bunch of insects and certain lizards in that area. I can see how just that small amount could flip the tables but I really doubt that's gonna happen.

The point I was trying to make is...we (and this includes you and everyone else thinking about it) can't predict what effect the escapes/introductions would have. That's the problem. No one can assume nothing bad will result. Recently there was quite a discussion about this very topic you might want to read. Search for the thread about "a worrisome Fauna Classifieds BOI" from a week ago.

Of course ecosystems change and react. Of course nothing is static and can't be held static. What humans can do is show some restraint and responsibility before taking an action for merely personal gratification or convenience. The vast majority of human-caused species introductions to new areas have been very bad ideas.

 

[JlaPinska]

about the wild population- a breeder ( i wasnt told who) catches a lot of them from the wild and sells them. He showed me a map of the hotspots but i didn't save it. There were a lot of marked places all over south fl though. I am from north fl and never see anything exciting there lol

 

[LeeroyJenkins]

about the wild population- a breeder ( i wasnt told who) catches a lot of them from the wild and sells them. He showed me a map of the hotspots but i didn't save it. There were a lot of marked places all over south fl though. I am from north fl and never see anything exciting there lol

I searched it up a bit and could only find people with pictures of wild veiled.