Homosexual chameleons?

[GooglezNvincent]

I have 2 Male, 1 Nosy Be about 10 months and a male Ambilobe about 9 months. I have 3 side of all my chams cages covered so they can only see out forward, they cant see other chams so they dont get stressed. I came in and the sheet fell so the 2 males could see eachother, they were both clawing at the cages facing eachother, but were not fired up or n e thing. I took them both out, but kept them separated on each hand about 3 feet away. They seemed fine so i put them down and they walked up to eachother and started crawling all over eachother, they were sexual in any way, but it seems weird that males would be so...... playful because they were crawling over eachother. I definately am not going to do it any more, but i was curious to see how they would act. Do you also think that they are familiar with eachother and are used to being close because their cages have been side by side, even though they couldn't see eachother may b they felt eachothers presence.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

I was just thinking of this because i am in my Biology of Human sexuality, and they are comparing humans to all sorts of animals. The term homosexual in regards to animals doesnt necessarily mean male on male sex. Thats why i was asking. What is your opinion?

 

[PantherVeileD]

nope that sounds like a homo chameleon for sure.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

nope that sounds like a homo chameleon for sure.

Lol very in depth thought about that!!!! ha ha ha

 

[chambabysitter1]

I was just thinking of this because i am in my Biology of Human sexuality, and they are comparing humans to all sorts of animals. The term homosexual in regards to animals doesnt necessarily mean male on male sex. Thats why i was asking. What is your opinion?

Hate to digress but the term homosexual regards to females and males in the human kingdom as well.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Hate to digress but the term homosexual regards to females and males in the human kingdom as well.

Im sorry i stated it wrong, the term homosexual in the animal kingdom is not only or centered around male on male sex or female on female sex. Experts have labeled a homosexual relationship with two animals because they were companions but didnt necessarliy practice sexual behavior with one another.

 

[desultadox]

So if my chameleons had a boys night out watching football and drinking beer together they'd be labeled homosexual? I don't think that's fair, somebody get PETA on the phone!

 

[ColorCham427]

theyrent gay. dont do that again btw.

did one of them bob it's head?

i had an ambanja that bobbed his head to a baby sambava male. the baby male clearly looked like a female at the 3 month age with only brown/tan colors.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

So if my chameleons had a boys night out watching football and drinking beer together they'd be labeled homosexual? I don't think that's fair, somebody get PETA on the phone!

Ha ha ha you are hilarious! i can always depend on you to make every thread you post in that much more hilarious. I think my guys were wrestling, THIS DOESNT MEAN I THINK WRESTLERS ARE HOMOSEXUAL, but it was quite awkward for me! lol

 

[GooglezNvincent]

theyrent gay. dont do that again btw.

did one of them bob it's head?

i had an ambanja that bobbed his head to a baby sambava male. the baby male clearly looked like a female at the 3 month age with only brown/tan colors.

Yeah it was a one time play date! but i did not see any head bobbing.

 

[eisentrauti]

It's a normal thing that animals also could be homosexual. It's know from many species

 

[SSimsswiSS]

Just add female to the mix! The males will be fighting and biting. Dominate male will bully away any male(s) away from female(s).

 

[chameleon guy]

It would be funny if they both attacked the female.

 

[Syn]

O_O How odd. Thank you for that image.

 

[merumontanus]

It's a normal thing that animals also could be homosexual. It's know from many species

That's right. Homosexual behavior has been observed not only in less cognitive animals such as leopard geckos, but also in highly intelligent, creative, thinking, animals such as golden lion tamarins, dolphins (these appear to do so consciously), and even lions.

Now, whether the behavior you observed represents a sexual interaction is less clear. It is possible that the behavior was simply a different sort of territorial response, but I have not kept enough pardalis to comment further. On the other hand, I have seen male jacksonii appearing "playful", as you say, walking on top of each other in "passive" colors, but this was the result of having having placed them out in the open, in a completely unfamiliar environment, so their focus shifted to the new surroundings. Had I done the same in either of their respective enclosures, I assure you the result would have been much different...

Cheers,

Fabián

 

[MEPOKEU]

My male jackson tries to mate with my male panther every time they see each other.

Just today i watched my jackson climb down a small tree and try to make its way over to the other tree that the panther was on. He turned bright yellow and blue and was doing head bobbs all the way down.


guess they cant both be outside at once

 

[Titan]

Ok I wasnt even gonna read this thread and now I see you almost appear to like the thought of "Off Kilter" Chams?

It would be funny if they both attacked the female.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Ok I wasnt even gonna read this thread and now I see you almost appear to like the thought of "Off Kilter" Chams?

What does that mean?

 

[bbqandtinyb]

Ok I wasnt even gonna read this thread and now I see you almost appear to like the thought of "Off Kilter" Chams?

It isn't as much a fact of liking the thought, as it is a fact of life. It's something that, whether you're comfortable with or not, happens in nature and is subjective. This all comes down to someone's personal feelings about homosexuality (perfectly normal behavior) which are imposed by society, and cannot be used to define homosexual behavior in animals in a negative light.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

It isn't as much a fact of liking the thought, as it is a fact of life. It's something that, whether you're comfortable with or not, happens in nature and is subjective. This all comes down to someone's personal feelings about homosexuality (perfectly normal behavior) which are imposed by society, and cannot be used to define homosexual behavior in animals in a negative light.

I am not good with words and saying the right thing but if i could, this is what i would say! very well said. It is a fact of life.