The question has raised many times, about our chameleons eating plants during caption. While they nearly don´t eat them in the wild. With this experiment we´ll try to collect some data and put it in a nice data sheet, to see if we can find a correlational between several parameters about plant eating in caption. Because not every chameleon seems to be eating their plants in the enclosure and as myself, I also noticed a change in behaviour between being a voracious plant eater to not touching any vegetation any more.
If everyone would be so kind to follow the sheet with 12 questions and line-up your answer by just following up the numbers of questions and give this answer in a number sequel i.e. 122422213213
I`ll collect all the data and put in a Excel sheet and lets see what it will bring us. And please be honest with question 9, this is what I think one really imported one!
@Brad please help if you got a better idea how to get data.
Already thanks in advanced
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Don't get me started on the poor beardies. I think they are more misunderstood that chameleons they are just a lot tougher. I see soo much that doesn't add up or is not properly explained. I can't find any two people to agree on diet or nutrition. The heat thing does not add up either. So many sheets say as high as 105f but leave off the importance of the cool side. In the wild when temp go much above 100f they start to look for shelter. They also spend time in trees when very hot to keep cooler. I will look it up but there is documentation of a male staying on one branch 30ft up for 3 weeks during a hot spell. (my numbers may be off, but the principal remains).You said..."I true believe in it, I fog the complete tree she sleeps in, therefore she sleeps in a cloud of fog from midnight till the lights go on. And since I´ve been doing this she stop for 85% with eating plants, last 15% was for the larger enclosure with massive foliage"...interesting.
I said..."Does it make sense that they would need to eat so many leaves only when gravid to be used as fiber?"... You said. "That I don´t know, she´s now receptive for the first time, maybe in a couple weeks I´ve noticed the same"....time will tell.
@Klyde O'Scope said..."my bearded dragon, who has never drunk a drop of water in his entire life, excretes a veritable pool of water along with his excreta—every single time"...but does your dragon eat mostly vegetation?
I wonder if they lack the loop of Henle like chameleons do?
For all intents & purposes, despite being offered greens/veggies daily, he was strictly insectivore the entire first year. He got 100% of his moisture from dubias, superworms, BSFL, & mealworms. Only after brumating has he shown any interest in vegetation—including the plants in his enclosure. Now he eats a few greens, but 25% or less of his diet. Same amount of water in his movements before & after brumation.
That’s how got interested in this subject and how I determined the 12 questions.You said..."I true believe in it, I fog the complete tree she sleeps in, therefore she sleeps in a cloud of fog from midnight till the lights go on. And since I´ve been doing this she stop for 85% with eating plants, last 15% was for the larger enclosure with massive foliage"...interesting.
That's what I was wondering about! Stinkeye got his water solely from his num-nums:From the site you gave the link to @Klyde O'Scope
"The kidneys of reptiles do not have loops of Henle and so they are unable to produce concentrated urine"...this then makes sense for dragons that they excrete a lot of water...but they have to then be getting it from somewhere.
Chameleons don't usually have a really wet "discharge" in my experience, so it might be that they don't need much water after all....but then when some of them drink a lot in captivity why don't I see a lot of fluid then?
How often are you feeding insects ? I kind of go by the Australia Zoo with 2 to 3 days feed with vegies, one day insects, and they have one dat pinky mice, but I do not do that part. But he only gets bugs 1 day a week.That's what I was wondering about! Stinkeye got his water solely from his num-nums:
Feeder Insect Moisture Content (rounded down)
...and still had generous surplus. "He Who Has Not Been Named" eats the same diet (plus crickets @ 75%), drinks droplets off the leaves, and absorbs through his skin(?) with no surplus.
Where's it going? He sure isn't sweating it out!
What's that got to do with what the chameleons are doing with all the moisture they take in?How often are you feeding insects ? I kind of go by the Australia Zoo with 2 to 3 days feed with vegies, one day insects, and they have one dat pinky mice, but I do not do that part. But he only gets bugs 1 day a week.
Oh. He doesn't get num-nums every day anymore. He gets greens & veggies, and if/when he eats those, he gets a few num-nums. His weight is steady, and all his fat pads are flat, so I'm not concerned about it. Neither is his vet. He's a little .Nothing I am off topic asking about feeding beardies lol