Eye problems (eating makes it worse)
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Brodybreaux25
Chameleon Enthusiast
It’s not so much that something bad will happen, more that you think your treating a problem when in reality your doing absolutely nothing to help the situation or even making it worse.
Well I am 100% it took the swelling down. I didn't take pictures the first day. He was probably low on vitamins on top of this major issue with his eye, that's my guess at this point. It probably won't make a difference now
I can 100% assure you it brought the swelling down. I should have taken pictures the first day. My guess at this point is he was low on vit a on top on this major eye issue.
His eyes were huge the first day and I called a vet, did some research. I figured it was better than potentially letting it get worse
Brodybreaux25
Chameleon Enthusiast
The fountains are know for being bacterial time bombs. They collect dead feeders, poop, dust, decaying plant matter, and other undesirables. They have killed many chams. Feel free to use the search bar if you don’t believe me.
If it did go down after spraying it is only because some of it somehow made it into his mouth. It absolutely was not “absorbed” through his skin.
If it did go down after spraying it is only because some of it somehow made it into his mouth. It absolutely was not “absorbed” through his skin.
Jevin
Chameleon Enthusiast
How long ago did you notice the swelling? I'm not an expert on chams, but to me it doesn't look like an infection, but a growth, because in the still photos there is a noticeable mass on the front of the eyes, if it was an infection, I would think that the whole eye would be swollen. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with eye issues. Plus in the video, I couldn't help but notice that when he did aim his eyes forward, the eyelid opening seemed to stay stationary while the eye rotated.
Brodybreaux25
Chameleon Enthusiast
@Beman can you explain to the OP how you’ve been putting vitA on feeders? I’m sure that’s a factor at the very least.
OP- I know you said you don’t spray his eyes with the vitamin water but that could be building up as an irritant. I think you should leave the vitamins out and start a heavy, long duration misting schedule for the next week so he can flush his eyes. Shut down your MVB for an hour when you start the misting.
Buy this and put it on EVERY feeder, discontinue and throw out all other supplements.
Repashy Calcium Plus LoD 3 Oz JAR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DLJRMV2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_keUpDbC48GHS9
OP- I know you said you don’t spray his eyes with the vitamin water but that could be building up as an irritant. I think you should leave the vitamins out and start a heavy, long duration misting schedule for the next week so he can flush his eyes. Shut down your MVB for an hour when you start the misting.
Buy this and put it on EVERY feeder, discontinue and throw out all other supplements.
Repashy Calcium Plus LoD 3 Oz JAR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DLJRMV2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_keUpDbC48GHS9
@sCosmoOB ok so I use the repashy calcium plus LoD now. It has absolutely everything in it. But before I was using it my supplements did not contain preformed Vitamin A. So your going to buy something like this. You may even have it already. 8,000-10,000 IU human grade gelcaps.
I always used horn worms or silk worms because it stays better. Now you poke a hole in the gel cap and put ONLY 1 drop of the vit A on the feeder then feed immediately. With him having issues seeing to eat your going to need to hand feed this to make sure the vit A does not go everywhere.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HQLCYW2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
When we use this for chams it is only used when their other supplements do not have it and we only give this 1 time a month. Never more. It is fat soluble which means they store it in their tissue so you want to be cautious not to overdose because it can not be flushed from their system with water.
I always used horn worms or silk worms because it stays better. Now you poke a hole in the gel cap and put ONLY 1 drop of the vit A on the feeder then feed immediately. With him having issues seeing to eat your going to need to hand feed this to make sure the vit A does not go everywhere.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HQLCYW2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
When we use this for chams it is only used when their other supplements do not have it and we only give this 1 time a month. Never more. It is fat soluble which means they store it in their tissue so you want to be cautious not to overdose because it can not be flushed from their system with water.
Graves923
Chameleon Enthusiast
Amphibians can absorb water/oxygen through their skin. Reptiles can not. Reptile skin, such as your chameleons, is designed to help them retain water. Spraying water on the cham with vitamins wont help unless the chameleon is licking the water of its skin.
I would not be spraying vitamin dosed water. Follow what Beman listed above to dose supplements.
Those eyes are very swollen and require an experienced reptile vet to diagnose. Looks like an infection that will require medication.
I would not be spraying vitamin dosed water. Follow what Beman listed above to dose supplements.
Those eyes are very swollen and require an experienced reptile vet to diagnose. Looks like an infection that will require medication.
Lennoncham
Chameleon Enthusiast
I can 100% assure you that it in fact did not bring the swelling down. As pointed out they have no mechanism to absorb anything through there skin. If they did you probably would have overdosed him on vit a by now since it is a fat Soluble vitamin meaning it gets stored in fat cells and can easily be overdosed.
Yes vit a deficiency can present as an eye issue. As can a vitamin overdose. I do not believe you have either here his eye is so swollen he can’t focus on his food that’s why his eyes move inside his socket when trying to focus. There should not be red in his eye that indicates an infection. I can’t say what the original problem was though. He needs to see a chameleon specialist right away.
You said..."We gutload with zoo med repticalcium and rep-cal herptivite with beta carotene which I do admit to slacking on"....is there D3 in either of those? You don't give the crickets and super worms a wide assortment of greens and veggies as well?
you said your present UVB light is only two months old...how long have his eyes been swollen?
Fountains are not recommended because they are too hard to keep germ free.
I hate eye issues...here are just too many things that can be causing the problems.
you said your present UVB light is only two months old...how long have his eyes been swollen?
Fountains are not recommended because they are too hard to keep germ free.
I hate eye issues...here are just too many things that can be causing the problems.
Mawtyplant
Chameleon Enthusiast
between you and i.. poser sur is not really.. powerful
especially compared with t5ho Arcadia 6%-12%
Mawtyplant
Chameleon Enthusiast
I think I agree with Brodybreaux25.. It might be an infection and fountain can be the actual cause, when I was "chameleon young" I did use this fountain (this exact one) and my chameleon catch a disease (stop eating).
Here what I notice is a possible upper respiratory infection (sinus infection my guess). if sinus get infected and blocked the eyes will get really puffy (just like this). Vitamin A is a good target but you want to dust with multivitamin.. that way things don't get unbalanced (also, don't forget : vitamin A is toxic to every alive species in a certain dosage so don't "cure him" to death
so! you now have two choice. A) Go to the vet and get a prescription for the infection
B)make some change with his cage (no basking and misting at the same time, get your humidity lower during the day and higher during the night, provide natural sunlight, bee pollen and if you got Manuka honey this can help too) I had good luck with reptaid in the past with this kind of issue (go to amazon.com they got some).
For the feeding :
find some silkworm (help with hydratation and containing serapeptase, natural substance that will help with inflammation and crap degradation)
find black soldier fly (because it contain natural antibiotic who actually target most of the respiratory infection on reptile if my memory good) Also rich on calcium and lot of vitamins who can help him (especially if you were low on the dusting lately
for an health check : Check for a fecal test (some parasite can actually block nutriment absorption and lead to deficiency and can be the cause)
If B) don't work, go with A) (and don't wait too long.. infection on chameleons are a real thunder storm (you get some mild advises them boom it fall faster than you even imagine)
side note : your chameleon is a bit overweighted since chameleon can't actually go to the gym, maybe you should consider go slower on the feeders
Good luck, don't hesitated if you got question, if you want more answer please fill the "how to ask for help" form
Here what I notice is a possible upper respiratory infection (sinus infection my guess). if sinus get infected and blocked the eyes will get really puffy (just like this). Vitamin A is a good target but you want to dust with multivitamin.. that way things don't get unbalanced (also, don't forget : vitamin A is toxic to every alive species in a certain dosage so don't "cure him" to death
so! you now have two choice. A) Go to the vet and get a prescription for the infection
B)make some change with his cage (no basking and misting at the same time, get your humidity lower during the day and higher during the night, provide natural sunlight, bee pollen and if you got Manuka honey this can help too) I had good luck with reptaid in the past with this kind of issue (go to amazon.com they got some).
For the feeding :
find some silkworm (help with hydratation and containing serapeptase, natural substance that will help with inflammation and crap degradation)
find black soldier fly (because it contain natural antibiotic who actually target most of the respiratory infection on reptile if my memory good) Also rich on calcium and lot of vitamins who can help him (especially if you were low on the dusting lately
for an health check : Check for a fecal test (some parasite can actually block nutriment absorption and lead to deficiency and can be the cause)
If B) don't work, go with A) (and don't wait too long.. infection on chameleons are a real thunder storm (you get some mild advises them boom it fall faster than you even imagine)
side note : your chameleon is a bit overweighted
since chameleon can't actually go to the gym, maybe you should consider go slower on the feeders Good luck, don't hesitated if you got question, if you want more answer please fill the "how to ask for help" form
Mawtyplant
Chameleon Enthusiast
About the powers.. no need to buy the 300$ devices to test your bulb, In the past I buy some power sun and some of them didn't provide uvb (brand new.. defective bulb is common with powersun). So here is a cheap and small device.. its not a acurate than an actual solar meter but.. it do the job and provide you nice info about your uvb bulb health
https://www.amazon.ca/Checker-Ultra...t+uvb+checker&qid=1564747671&s=gateway&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.ca/Checker-Ultra...t+uvb+checker&qid=1564747671&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Mawtyplant
Chameleon Enthusiast
Any update?
Zilla23
Established Member
this is so crazy because I just searched this because my guy is doing the exact same thing, no fountain here so I doubt that is the problem. I also give him the vitamin A as retinyl palmitate once a month. When do you notice that he does it more? mine is only first thing in the morning, almost like he is still waking up. I have been coming in earlier lately and had some horn worms to feed him and he did this exact thing with the red over the eye, I waited a couple of hours and he didn't do it again. I was thinking it might be that he is just still sleepy?? He seems perfectly fine the rest of the day, it only happens first thing in the morning. I would be very interested if anyone else is seeing this same thing. It could be the lights, but I bought a Solar Meter and when I check the output it is only at 3 at the very highest point he can go in the enclosure, I thought that was the optimal level for panthers.
Multivitamins
Chameleon Enthusiast
Topical triple antibiotic ointment made for the eye will likely be issued by a vet and I'd recommend using a vitamin a capsules with performed vitamin a put some on a feeder once a month be careful it's fat soluble , recently had an eye issue with my panther a few days of ointment and a switch in vitamins resolved the issue.
Gut loading isn't the powders but the foods fed to your feeders so stock up on some squash sweet potatoes collared greens. Sadly chameleon food requires about as much care as some people's cats or dogs. Feeding your pets food food sounds crazy but it's part of the game.
Herp-tivite multivitamin doesn't provide the needed vitamin a I learned first hand from my dudes deficiency.
I'll jump on the ditch the fountain wagon as well a Tupperware with pin hole dripping on a leaf will work just as well and lower the chance of bacterial infection/ infestation.
Beating a dead horse I know , best of luck
Gut loading isn't the powders but the foods fed to your feeders so stock up on some squash sweet potatoes collared greens. Sadly chameleon food requires about as much care as some people's cats or dogs. Feeding your pets food food sounds crazy but it's part of the game.
Herp-tivite multivitamin doesn't provide the needed vitamin a I learned first hand from my dudes deficiency.
I'll jump on the ditch the fountain wagon as well a Tupperware with pin hole dripping on a leaf will work just as well and lower the chance of bacterial infection/ infestation.
Beating a dead horse I know , best of luck
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