Psi
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Would love to know where you get that number.
Chameleon decision- opinions wanted
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Would love to know where you get that number.
VeiledOwner87
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you look at the seniority level. senior members tend to know a little more then levels down. im sure franky has some type of expierience on this topic, either hands on importing or at least inquiring. i know that to ship a chameleon from chamnation in canada, they start around 100$, the lady there told me. 100$ is expensive and thats just in my country and only a few cities away. now the topic has gone from shipping foreign to foreign. and as stated before, the fact that places wont ship just one or two chameleons to a foreign country unless its wholesale, your costs will EASILY come up to that with animals, permits, exchange, shipping. you still want numbers? you dont have to do that math to know its common sense.
sandrachameleon
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woodsball you asked for opinions, so here's mine
buy canadian.
It will be less expensive in the long run, and easier on the animal. if you want a pure, there are several good reputable breeders to choose from. check the site sponsors. though There is nothing wrong with hybrids if you dont mind a little mistery as to how the colouration will turn out (unless you get a female, in which case the colouring is fairly predicatable regardless). The cost difference isnt considerable - if you cant afford a few hundred bucks for a quality animal you may not be financially ready for this hobby.
that said, if you are in BC, I will soon have both pure NosyBe and some nice hybrids available (and because Im not breeding as business they will be less expensive than you may find elsewhere)
buy canadian.
It will be less expensive in the long run, and easier on the animal. if you want a pure, there are several good reputable breeders to choose from. check the site sponsors. though There is nothing wrong with hybrids if you dont mind a little mistery as to how the colouration will turn out (unless you get a female, in which case the colouring is fairly predicatable regardless). The cost difference isnt considerable - if you cant afford a few hundred bucks for a quality animal you may not be financially ready for this hobby.
that said, if you are in BC, I will soon have both pure NosyBe and some nice hybrids available (and because Im not breeding as business they will be less expensive than you may find elsewhere)
robmd1
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as its been said before goin thru all that trouble with cites and everything else that goes along with it i dont think its worth it for one cham and by the time its all said an done to get that mr ambanja male to you ya can buy a mitsio or faly from drew in canada,just something to think about...
Cainschams
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How healthy WCs are??? There is no debate on that. The only debate on that is that you are insinuating that they are better than spending the money on a WC instead of a CB. Honestly, that is the last thing the OP needs to spend money on. As was said in a way, They come beat up, malnourished, dehydrated etc etc. This is what YOU suggested to the OP instead of letting him know that there are reputable breeders of panthers in Canada. Sorry, but very bad advise on your behalf.
Psi
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What the heck does seniority level have to do with where you're pulling numbers from?
Yes.
Considering I've talked to Drew about this several times, and Harry a little bit, I'm wondering where that extra 300-400$+ you're calculating in is coming from.
I know that getting your CITIES permit is now 200$ (it used to be 100), and inspection I think is 150-200(used to be 100 I think).
It used to not break the bank on single orders to import in, the main issue was the time it took to get the permits approved.
Goggles
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I totally agree with Harry. The initial price of the Cham is just the beginning.
If the price of a Panther seems too high look at a veiled.
I have talked to both Harry and Drew and both are great knowledgable people, but comparing American breeders to Canadian breeders prices is apples to oranges.
VeiledOwner87
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my initital target was not for WC at all, but rather someone in Ontario, Canada must have a small breeding op going on with less inexpensive beginner chams. how the whole discussion about the health of WC started, was just myself explaining the great condition of quite a few WCs ive seen. and i will debate that, yes some WCs come in bad shape, dehydrated, malnurited, but it is realy up to the suppliers that recieve the foregin imports, and the petstores who SHOULD inititiate the first step of properly hydrating them, nurtuing them, etc. the vet bills and the rest is up to the owner. if this was done, dont you think alot more WCs would be in a healthier state upon purchase? sure some would still have parasites, maybe some scars from the wild, but regardless, with the way pet stores treat some animals. its sometimes just as easy for a CB to become infected and harmed by bugs when there imunity is way less tolerable than a WC.
also, i did refer him to reputable canadian breeders (our canadian site sponsors) also, i believe Kinyonga breeds.
its more about CITIES permits and inspection, its also about quantity and minimum requirements in some cases. did you not read properly, that some importing companies will not send 1 or 2 animals at a time? its gotta be quantity for them to be worth wild.
Psi
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Try to stay on topic since you enjoy flying all over the place.
I was asking about that number specifically.
If you're like to read the thread and not try to talk down to me about it, please answer again.
VeiledOwner87
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than what else is there to answer?, frankys post is your answer. all of that included in what he said easily comes up to a grand or more..
Psi
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That's great.
You keep believing those "senior members" who pull numbers out of their asses.
I'll listen to the people that do deal with CITIES and that import regularly.
Cainschams
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Its not just the pet stores that treat them bad. Some exporters keep them in terrible conditions before being shipped out.
PSI, some of these numbers are approximate.
Import/export license. 100$
Designated port exception permit if needed. 100$
Cites document. 100$
FWS inspection in the states. 250$
International overnight shipping is not very cheap. Between 400$ to 550$
Add all that up and you are right around 1000$ give or take.
Edit: This is what it cost me to import from Germany. Prices were not pulled out of my ass
VeiledOwner87
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thats what im sayin cains, stores, suppliers (exporters and to stores) although some treat their animals exceptional. and its thoughs who dont fail in the business
VeiledOwner87
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NWD
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why skeptical
Some of the hybrids I have seen have such amazing colors I just got three hybrids they are awesome. Although when space permits I would like to breed some pure breds but I like being surprised at what the babies are going too look like. So dont be afraid if the parents both look good, but ultimately it's all preference so get what you prefer
Some of the hybrids I have seen have such amazing colors I just got three hybrids they are awesome. Although when space permits I would like to breed some pure breds but I like being surprised at what the babies are going too look like.
So dont be afraid if the parents both look good, but ultimately it's all preference so get what you prefer 
fluxlizard
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my 2cents.
Buy CB canadian and if you aren't planning on breeding him, don't worry too much about how the color will turn out. Just get a male not a female. I don't think I've ever seen an ugly cross. Don't think I've ever seen a healthy male panther that was ugly for that matter. All of them are pretty when healthy and all are beautiful when they get excited. Most crosses are more colorful than most pure locales for that matter, excluding ambilobes. The downside to the cross is that you may have less of an idea of exactly what the coloring will be, but unless you absolutely feel you must have a yellow and red or blue or whatever chameleon and just want something colorful and healthy a cross will fit nicely.
I would recommend a captive bred cross over a pure locale specific import for a "pet" that is not a breeder any day. Imports are always a gamble health and parasite and age-wise, and it seems a shame to waste new imported blood on a "pet" that isn't going to be bred.
Buy CB canadian and if you aren't planning on breeding him, don't worry too much about how the color will turn out. Just get a male not a female. I don't think I've ever seen an ugly cross. Don't think I've ever seen a healthy male panther that was ugly for that matter. All of them are pretty when healthy and all are beautiful when they get excited. Most crosses are more colorful than most pure locales for that matter, excluding ambilobes. The downside to the cross is that you may have less of an idea of exactly what the coloring will be, but unless you absolutely feel you must have a yellow and red or blue or whatever chameleon and just want something colorful and healthy a cross will fit nicely.
I would recommend a captive bred cross over a pure locale specific import for a "pet" that is not a breeder any day. Imports are always a gamble health and parasite and age-wise, and it seems a shame to waste new imported blood on a "pet" that isn't going to be bred.
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