Sir Spiral Tail
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I am going with The "not letting my baby stick their hand in an electric outlet" route..
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HairyScaryMark
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If you don't believe chameleons can become impacted, my first chameleon did from the plants in his cage. He didn't die however, so DJ, better to say it can die, not will. Hairy, there was a thread not too long ago where a member lost his chameleon and he even had pictures of the build up in viles/jars.
I aggre with Julirs and Jeanjacket!
Your example doesn't back up the claim that a chameleon can die from the soil in the plant pot as a. the chameleon didn't die and b. it wasn't from the soil in the plant pot it was from the plant itself.
The other example I haven't seen so can't comment on it but if you can link to it, that would be great as I am interested to see it.
For me the burden of proof to say something is a real genuine risk to the extent it can cause death is a link to the thread with this example and the supporting post-mortem report carried out by a qualified reptile vet.
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pssh
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So then, does that mean you don't think impaction is a risk? Maybe I'm not understanding you, but do you mean that even though they can get an impaction from dirt (use my chameleon as an example) it won't kill them? Because I certainly believe if I hadn't given him a bit of oil that he could have died. I wish I had pictures of his massive poop to show you as it had quite a bit of dirt in it, but I was little and it happened on my hand... I was more concerned with getting it off and happy that he finally pooped.
HairyScaryMark
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Yet again, if you have the evidence (I'm not saying you don't but I haven't seen it), post links to it so people can read it. My view is we should make our decisions based on evidence which is properly gathered and documented in a scientific way. I'm not saying they can't become impacted but I just require more proof before I can believe the soil in the plant pot has a real chance of causing this death.
I've heard plenty of people say that if they try and eat the soil it's because they lack other nutrients in their diet. I don't know if this is true or hearsay. I yet again haven't been given any evidence one way or another.
My plant pots have all ended up with leaves covering them so there is not a soil directly exposed.
pssh
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It definately was the soil. I haven't seen you post any evidence that soil doesn't cause impaction. I'v already told you that mine became impacted from it. It was long before I was a member on here. Do you not believe me? I had never thought of covering the soil with anything and apparently he had been eating it when I wasn't looking.
I don't believe you until you post evidence, I already have mine. He didn't poop for almost about three weeks.
I don't believe you until you post evidence, I already have mine. He didn't poop for almost about three weeks.
Cainschams
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Its simple
Someone finds the forum in need of some help. They get the help needed to properly set up their chameleon. They then set it up properly and bam!!! Expert over night. They read a few posts here and there and start repeating it to make them look as if they are all knowing The parrot effect as Phil likes to call it.I also love how the over night experts get all pissy and bent out of shape when someone has a cfl or dirt in their pots
Yeah a cfl is bad but to post with some attitude like "NO NO NO!!!" is absolutely absurd. Most of these people are the ones who were actually doing what they are bashing others about. Its funny how the people with years and years of experience can provide information based on experience in a well mannered fashion and the over night experts just repeat something they read with such attitude.DJ, since you know for a fact that that animal will die if it eats ANY of that dirt then you wont mind taking me up on a bet.
DJ Richey Rich
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I was just giving advise told to me by many people befor i got my cham
Some people do cover their soil and you will see it mentioned in multiple threads. I've used large rocks and other techniques with varying success over the years. I usually don't cover anymore unless there is a suspected problem; however, I don't want to discourage people from being cautious.
It might be more important to consider the kind of soil you are using. Stay away from small gravel/stone. I assume impaction from rocks is much more likely than from soil.
jeanjacket812
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I don't know about the rest of ya but I got around $500 dollars wrapped up in my Cham and that lil f****r better not be eating anything that I don't put in there for him to eat!
Sir Spiral Tail
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that's what i am screaming...i don't need scientific evidence to suggest spending 2 bucks on some paper towels just in case. I would rather spend 2 bucks for nothing than just leave it and kill the poor little guy.
Anyways, back to my original post, i did go buy a schefflera aribicola for my cage, and eric from cham101 is sending me some grape vine to add as well, so i think i should be pretty well covered. Thanks for the input
Anyways, back to my original post, i did go buy a schefflera aribicola for my cage, and eric from cham101 is sending me some grape vine to add as well, so i think i should be pretty well covered. Thanks for the input
DJ Richey Rich
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What I am saying is I had the bark a petstore told me to get and there was a huge amount of hate towards what I did remember pshh thats why I asked you in a pm about if I can use plexiglass. So I was just helping.
DJ Richey Rich
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Bark is inappropriate for chameleons. No substrate or paper towels should be used. If substrate is ingested they can die from the blockage that occurs. If they do not die and a vet can fix it, you will have some very expensive vet bills.
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Sir Spiral Tail
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No paper towels? What then?
serenitystarlite
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I think he meant either use nothing at all or use paper towels
Sir Spiral Tail
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just put in a schefflera, got a crate from my girlfriends work to raise it to give more cover up top. My cham comes wednesday morning, and he is being sent with a grape vine for extra trafficway up top....better? yes?
