Bump in the Corner of Young Chameleon's Eye

LizardLurkin

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  • Your Chameleon
    My guess is he is 2-3 months old, and he's been in my care since the 16th of this month.
  • Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
    I have to handle/interact with him directly twice a day to administer ointment into his little eye.
  • Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
    Currently feeding dubia roaches and BSFL with occasional wax worms. The Dubia are fed bug burger or roach chow generally, but given some gutload cube an hour or two before adding the feeders into his cage. I want to say I try to add 6-8 roaches (so there's more movement) with 5-6 BSFL. He only started to recently eat more confidently as he's getting used to everything. Silkworms are on the way!
  • Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
    The dubia (and waxworms) are dusted with Zoo Med Reptile Calcium without Vitamin D3 every meal, BSFL probably get some dust on them, but not directly as I read you didn't have to dust them. Currently I'm waiting for Zoo Med Reptivite Reptile Vitamins with D3 2 to arrive in the mail with bated breath, and will use this on his meal the day it arrives.
  • Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
    I mist 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after the lights go on + off for two minutes each session. I have a dripper run onto a fat pothos leaf everyday for a few hours. I've never seen him drink but I hear they are shy drinkers. His urates are super white.
  • Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
    It looks normal. Looks dry if it lands on the leaf under his basking branch, but then more moist if it lands anywhere else. Urates are white, and the rest a general brown color. Doesn't seem runny. I had him tested for parasites which came back negative, though I will keep an eye on this as I'm aware of false positives.
  • History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
    He is from Petco, so there's no lineage information or anything like that. He was house in a typical display case with jungle vine, the dripper + water bowl combo, and a lil feisty female roommate. I will note that his eye already had this bump prior.

Cage Info:

  • Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
    2x2x4 reptibreeze screen cage with window insulation on the right, left, and back sides of the cage.
    Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
    -Zoo Med ReptiSun 5.0 HO T5 UVB Lamp 22" L 24 Watts
    -SunBlaster 24" Prism Lens 24W 6400K Full Spectrum LED Strip Light Indoor Greenhouse Plant Grow Lamp with Built-In Reflector & Mounting Clips
    -Exo Terra Sun-Glo Neodymium A19 Lamp, 60-Watt
    These are on for around 12 hours a day, and off the other 12 hours.
  • Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
    Temperatures in the basking zone sit around 76-84. I probably have to up the wattage on my lamp. As it gets lower, the cage drops into the lower 70s. I measure temps with two govee thermometer/hygrometers and a temperature gun. His basking branch is typically 9" below his lights, but does slip a few centimeters and here and there.
  • Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
    Humidity in the day hovers around 46-50%, give or take. At night I observe spikes of 78-82% around the basking branch, and at the bottom 80s-99% humidity. I'm unsure if I should be counting the basking area as the true measurement? It feels like cheating to consider the one tucked into the dracaena. Humidity is measured with two govee thermometer/hygrometers.
  • Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
    2 pothos and 1 dracaena currently. I have two more plants (a creeping fig and a fluffy ruffles fern) on the way from josh's frogs. It looks a little bare right now admittedly, but hopefully the pothos grow wonderfully.
  • Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
    The cage is in a bedroom, it is currently by a window and heating vent, but this is not the permanent position (I have the reptibreeze cage stand on the way but it won't be here until the 29th.)
  • Location - Where are you geographically located?
    Alaska.

I got this little baby boy recently, he has no official name yet. I'm very curious about this swelling in the corner of his eye. I took him to a vet on Thursday, and was actually surprised by how much she and her nurse knew about chameleons, so there's that. They flushed his eye, making sure it wasn't debris, it wasn't that. They checked the inside of his mouth for signs of, I think, infection of the sinuses? or an abscess? I don't remember exactly. Whichever one where that is the procedure, they checked his mouth and didn't find anything unusual there. The bump seemed soft and squishy. He doesn't seem bothered by it getting touched (typical chameleon behavior aside) and it hasn't gotten any bigger since I've had him, but I worry anyway. She sent me home with an ointment just in case it's a bacterial infection, but it doesn't seem to be clearing up any yet.
Obviously, I'm super worried I am stressing him out and making things worse for him by how much I have to interact with him when he's new to the house (should I have waited for him to settle in before trying to figure out what was going on?)
The vet did mention that it could also just be a deformity from poor supplementation, and I am perfectly fine with this possibility so long as its not impactful to him. I know a lack of Vitamin A can do funny things to the eyes. So! I know I'm rambling, but I figured you may see this sort of thing a lot to maybe have an idea of what I may be dealing with here. I'd appreciate any insight and guidance.

I've attached a couple photos of his left eye, and also his enclosure.
 

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Hmmmmm to me it looks like an abscess. But I am by no means an expert and have less experience than many here. Is the vet you went to one on our list? When they have an abscess, they have to be drained and cleaned out. Their pus is not really liquid. It’s more of a cottage cheese texture (🤢 I know but it’s the best way to describe it) antibiotics alone will not get rid of them. Let others chime in and see what they say, but I may get a second opinion. If beman or missskittles or someone more experienced comes along and have a different opinion, go with theirs. They are far more knowledgeable than me.
 
What a cutie!!! I agree with Gloriawood, either abscess or not good supplements and uvb, but I lean toward abscess as well.
 
The vet isn't on the list buuut I do feel she knows her stuff. There's no one on the list from Alaska, and I was impressed with all the stuff she looked for while I was there.
Aww, I was hoping it wouldn't be an abscess just because it won't be a good time for him, but I'll ask her about it when next I go. She did mention that if the antibiotics doesn't clear it up, it's something they have to lance/cut open to fix up. Poor guy!
 
That's a relief to hear. On that note, should I finish the 10 days of ointment before making another appointment or is it best to go ahead and be like "hey can I get my baby boy's eye poked because I'm not seeing any changes?"
 
Poor little guy. 🥺 It’s hard when it comes to eye problems as there’s several different things it could be. I’m thinking maybe a keratin plug trapped in there. Usually they need a deep flush to remove. I would say to keep using the drops from the vet, make sure your humidity is well within range and maybe give a long misting for several minutes right before lights out. I’m assuming your night temps fall below at least 68 since you’re in AK.
Eye issue aside, he is a cutie! 🤗 💗
 
The vet did rinse his eyes and nothing came out, but I will bring up a deep flush next time and the possibility of an abscess lancing next visit; just to have her consider all the possibilities. Maybe it is best to have him do the ointment regimen for the full 10 days, just so he has more time in his enclosure, settling in, rather than being rushed back and forth to the vet in rapid succession. Of course, if it gets worse, that's another story :(

I forgot to mention night temps are indeed around 66 usually. I'll give him a nice long misting sesh in the evening before bed too.
Ah, he is so cute though. Currently a very timid and shy boy, none of that veiled chameleon confidence yet. Currently calling him "Spub" before he gets his "your eye is all better now" name.
 
I never knew about keratin plugs 🙃 see this is why I say let others chime in 😅 the vet probably has an abscess on her radar as a possibility if she said lancing it was the next step. My Cham had one. My vet did something very similar. Antibiotics first just to avoid less invasiveness if possible. Turned out that didn’t work so lancing was required. His was on his nose though. Follow Missskittles advice, she knows her stuff, and then see how he’s doing. Keep us updated for sure!!
 
Thanks for all the advice. I put the ointment on his eye today and now he's kept it closed for the last couple of hours. I'm very delicate as I can be with the procedure, but keeping it closed like that has set off the worry-o-meter.
 
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Oh man, I hope these guys feel that same sense of relief you get when you clean the eye boogies away from procedures like this.

Update: The little guy's eye opened up an hour or so later, but I got him on schedule to see a vet on friday because I know cham eyes closing is a big no-no. I'll give him a big misting session these upcoming nights and see if I notice any improvements.
 
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I wanted to give an update on little Spooble. The eye ointment seemed to soften up whatever was in his eye enough to the point where it was able to be flushed out on Friday.
He never lets me get good pics but you can see the difference even so! It seems like some dead skin cells were forming a little party in his turret.
I hope this information will be useful for anyone in the future!
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Yay! So much better now! To prevent recurrence of things getting stuck, keep an eye on humidity (30-50% during the day) and mist for at least 2 minutes each time, twice a day.
 
Back from another vet visit regarding the oddity of Spooble's left eye. For a bit, after the initial second flush which released the keratin plug, his eye looked normal. Eventually, he started keeping his left eye open during the night, and it was crusting over, too. He stopped doing this, thankfully. I wanna believe it was maybe that it coincided with sheddings times, or he just hadn't enough vitamin A in his system yet.
In general, his left eye has a sort of saggy appearance which bunches up in the inner corner of his eye. Recently, it started to get a swelling-like appearance again, sort of like before. It's not nearly as bulbous in appearance, but concerning enough that I'm convinced he can't squeeze it out himself...
To summarize the visit:
It's soft, squishy, goes flat when pressed. There doesn't appear to be signs of infection currently. It's lodged in stubbornly, however, and didn't come out with a flush. (his bulbous plug from when I first came home with him didn't come out the first flush either, though.)
They sent me home, telling me to start back up with the ointment from before, and to use repti turtle eye drops under the pretense his issue stems from vitamin A deficiencies. I feel anxious about doing this simply because I know vitamin A has so many unknowns around it. Does anyone have any experience with this product?
I'd appreciate any wisdoms. I do have Fluker's Repta rinse on hand, which is a reptile specific saline solution that I feel more comfortable about just because it lacks vitamin A...But then, would it help...That's the question...

Apologies if it's inappropriate to rez this old thread, but I think maybe continuing this topic so it might eventually lead to helpful information seems like a good idea.
He's so eepy after the long 2 and a half hour drive to the vet.
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(Bonus: His second visit from a couple months ago where you can really see just how big the bump was)
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I'm also going to update my husbandry review to see if there's anything incorrect there:

  • Your Chameleon
    My guess is he is around 5-6 months old, and he's been in my care since the 16th of this April.
  • Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
    I interact with him every day lately because I have to help care for his eye. I'd be more handsoff if I could! 😓
  • Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
    Currently I'm feeding dubia roaches, BSFL, silkworms, hornworms, the occasional wax worms as a treat to gain trust and eventually wax moths once they hatch. The Dubia are fed bug burger or roach chow generally, but given some gutload cube the night before being added to the enclosure. (Honestly I have no luck with keeping BSFL alive. They last maybe a week or two before being little dry brown thingies. I've tried keeping them in a slightly cooler room, feeding them, spraying their substrate. I'm cursed) I wanna say he eats 10 bugs daily, amount depends on size. He's feed in the morning or early afternoon.
  • Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
    The insects are dusted with Zoo Med Reptile Calcium without Vitamin D3 every meal. Repashy Calcium + LOD twice monthly.
  • Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
    I was misting 30 minutes after lights go on and 30 minutes before lights go off for four minutes each session, hoping that would encourage him to keep up with cleaning his eyes. I watched this video by petr necas just last night and felt anxious maybe that way of thinking was wrong so I adjusted it to 30 minutes before waking and after sleeping. There's also a 2 minute and a half misting session during the night to keep humidity up. I have a dripper run everyday for a few hours. I've never seen him drink.
  • Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
    It looks normal. Urates are white, and the rest a brown color. Consistency is correctly firm/squishy. It's not runny (unless the hornworms start getting big, hoo boy)
    I had him tested for parasites twice which both came back negative, though I will keep an eye on this as I'm aware of false positives.
  • History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
    He is from Petco, so there's no lineage information or anything like that. I will note that his eye already had this bump prior, but I couldn't take my eyes off him the very moment I saw him regardless.

Cage Info:


  • Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
    2x2x4 reptibreeze screen cage with window insulation on the right, left, and back sides of the cage.
    Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
    -Zoo Med ReptiSun 5.0 HO T5 UVB Lamp 22" L 24 Watts
    -SunBlaster 24" Prism Lens 24W 6400K Full Spectrum LED Strip Light Indoor Greenhouse Plant Grow Lamp with Built-In Reflector & Mounting Clips
    -Exo Terra Sun-Glo Neodymium A19 Lamp, 60-Watt
    These are on for around 12 hours a day, and off the other 12 hours. The UVB reading is about 3.0 at the basking branch.
  • Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
    Temperatures in the basking zone sit around 76-82. As it gets lower, the cage drops into the lower 70s to upper 60s. I measure temps with two govee thermometer/hygrometers, a temperature gun, a temperature probe. His basking branch is typically 9" below his lights, but does slip a few centimeters and here and there.
  • Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
    Humidity in the day hovers around 34-47%, give or take. In the morning, it's usually around 56% before I turn on the dehumidifier for two hours. At night I observe spikes of 65%-mid 70s% at the top, and near the bottom 80-90% humidity. I'm unsure if I should be counting the basking area as the true measurement? He sleeps mostly near the top. Humidity is measured with two govee thermometer/hygrometers.
  • Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
    2 pothos, 1 lipstick plant, 2 spider plants, and 1 dracaena currently. I have two more plants (a creeping fig and a fluffy ruffles fern) on the way from josh's frogs but they are taking a whiiile to grow.
  • Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
    The cage is in a bedroom. It is beside window and heating vent, but sun does not directly hit it, and the heating doesn't seem to alter readings in an odd way. The enclosure sits on the matching reptibreeze XL cage stand
  • Location - Where are you geographically located?
    Alaska
  • Current problem
    His eye is a mystery. My vets think it might be a deformity, be it from a former cagemate, or from the poor vitamin and uvb supplementation in his growing months. I'm open to all advice and critique.

Here's a pic of the enclosure, as well. I think the foliage is coming in nicely.
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Ok I would NOT use the repti turtle drops... You have been supplementing with the correct types of supplements on the correct rotation since you got him. This is not from a vitamin A deficiency. My guess is there is a bit of an infection going on due to the long standing issue. It could have started out simply with something getting into the turret and causing irritation. I would speak to the vet about options for an oral antibiotic in case there is an underlying infection as so far everything they have done is topical only.

Here is the issue with not misting during the day and only at night when they are sleeping. They do not have the opportunity to clean the eyes if they are passed out asleep. I would not switch your misting for when he is not awake. But also lets talk more about this. How long were you misting for morning and evening when you did have lights on? And was he up and moving around or still tucked in?
 
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