brands of calcium powder & gular edema

[Andee]

I end up buying 100 silkworms and then raising my own eggs until I run out. Sometimes I have enough for a while.

 

[MoyaChan]

It can take 6 months or more to resolve. I suspect many edema cases are due to oversupplementation of vitamin A, which is fat soluble so stored in the liver and other organs. It takes quite a long time for that to be used up.

In veiled females they can get edema when gravid. Are you sure she's not gravid?

I'm 1000% sure, she was, then she became eggbound, and they removed her reproductive organs, as far as I know. But she's had the gular edema ever since that (the surgery was in december).

About vitamin A... Do you think that I should stop gutloading with carrots or is it an other form of vitamin A so it doesn't affect the cham? Or should I stop the multivitamin and use only calcium and calcium+d3? or only calcium?

Thanks for your help!

 

[MoyaChan]

Coastal Silkworms has some small silkworms that are already hatched, that should be in stock right now. If you don't have any mulberry trees nearby then buy some chow.

I end up buying 100 silkworms and then raising my own eggs until I run out. Sometimes I have enough for a while.

I'm not in the US so I guess that's not an option? But I'll find someone here, somehow, thanks for the suggestion

 

[Andee]

I would stop dusting with anything with a vitamin A in it. I am not sure if D3 causes it. You could probably get away with dusting only with calcium for a while if you take your cham out for some natural sunshine (depending on the weather where you live) for about a couple hours a day. You would probably want to get an outdoor cage if you are going to do that.

 

[alphakenc]

I'm waiting on that poop to happen so I can finally see how it is. The last one was good though, so I hope this will be too...
Thanks again!

You are more than welcome.Please read again on the reply with @ferretinmyshoes suspect many edema cases are due to oversupplementation of vitamin A, which is fat soluble so stored in the liver and other organs. It takes quite a long time for that to be used up.

Did u notice that key word "oversupplementation" that is why I suggested "lightly dust" ur feeder with tiny little pinch will goes to a long way.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

When some of my chams got edema I stopped dusting with anything but plain calcium until it was resolved. Lots of hydration - shower sessions and hornworms - and as much natural sunlight I could give them. They all resolved eventually but it took 6-12 months depending on species.

 

[MoyaChan]

You are more than welcome.Please read again on the reply with @ferretinmyshoes suspect many edema cases are due to oversupplementation of vitamin A, which is fat soluble so stored in the liver and other organs. It takes quite a long time for that to be used up.

Did u notice that key word "oversupplementation" that is why I suggested "lightly dust" ur feeder with tiny little pinch will goes to a long way.

Yup, saw that! Thank you!

 

[MoyaChan]

When some of my chams got edema I stopped dusting with anything but plain calcium until it was resolved. Lots of hydration - shower sessions and hornworms - and as much natural sunlight I could give them. They all resolved eventually but it took 6-12 months depending on species.

Thank you so much, I'll do what you all suggested. It gives me hope that your method worked for you, I hope it'll work for my girl too. thank you

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

Oh and I also avoided gutloading with high Vit A foods (sweet potato, kale, carrots, mango, butternut squash). I use a lot of those in my normal rotation and had some leftover parrot pellets I thought I'd just throw in for gutloading to get rid of them. They were quite high in Vitamin A and shortly after using them is when three of my chams developed gular edema (panther was worst, jackson second, and veiled only minor amount). It may have been completely coincidental but the timing was very suspicious.

 

[alphakenc]

Yes ,I totally agree with ferretinmyshoes,parrots food only formulated for the parrots just like alphakenc I wont eat a can of cat food,even though its pretty tempting especially I constantly "gutload " myself with the right type of the food just to fulfill my healthy body needs.

 

[MoyaChan]

Oh and I also avoided gutloading with high Vit A foods (sweet potato, kale, carrots, mango, butternut squash). I use a lot of those in my normal rotation and had some leftover parrot pellets I thought I'd just throw in for gutloading to get rid of them. They were quite high in Vitamin A and shortly after using them is when three of my chams developed gular edema (panther was worst, jackson second, and veiled only minor amount). It may have been completely coincidental but the timing was very suspicious.

I've never used parrot pellets, but I'll stop with the carrots, usually I use them a lot. Thankfully I didn't have any for a week now so no for the cricks either.
Thank you for the advice!