Trioceros Laterispinis

I am new to this forum and I would like to have information about the trioceros laterispinis . I will buy a pair of about 3 or 4 months , my questions are:

-temperature range ( max and min Tº)
-can live together in a terrarium or must be separated
- From few months can come together to procreate
- How much is the incubation period of the eggs ?

Thanks for your answers in advance, I will be very helpful , greetings

barruezo said:

I am new to this forum and I would like to have information about the trioceros laterispinis . I will buy a pair of about 3 or 4 months , my questions are:

-temperature range ( max and min Tº)
-can live together in a terrarium or must be separated
- From few months can come together to procreate
- How much is the incubation period of the eggs ?

Thanks for your answers in advance, I will be very helpful , greetings

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Trioceros laterispinis in my experience is a fairly delicate species that should really only be kept by experienced keepers. Based solely on your questions, I'm concerned about whether you are ready to work with this species or not. First, T. laterispinis is viviparous, so there are no eggs to incubate. Secondly, it really is best to keep the vast majority of the Trioceros species, and species from similar genera, individually. As with most chameleon species, they should only be introduced temporarily to breed and should be monitored so that they can be separated when the female begins to reject the male's presence.

Additional information about this species (in German) can be found here: http://www.ig-chamaeleons.de/main/tiere/laterispinis/haltung.html

Chris

thanks for the replies , I have experience in breeding furcifer pardalis and other lizards , and I´m ready to start breeding chameleons mountain .

I know that are viviparous ,was a mistake mine. thanks for the website , there is a lot of information.

I have only one question with minimum and maximum temperatures

take this for what's its worth but I have Jackson's and I have had one male and one female In the same enclosure for over a year now and there has yet to be any issues, fighting, stress or anything that would indicate problems from the being housed together... I understand that they have ranges they require and don't like interlopers... but (with my experiences) there are always exceptions... with all due respect to anyone who just flat out declares "keep them separate" and "only introduce during mating times" there are always exceptions to every rule...
I put mine into the same home and watched them extremely close for over a month (based on everyone saying "don't house together") for any signs of issues.. and low and behold...none... they didn't show any stress any discomfort or signs of her not wanting him around or vise versa...
not saying its a good idea to just throw them together and not monitor.. but to just insist on the fact they cant be housed together is just arrogant...
as far as the original question that was asked... if you want to house more than one together... then try it... however I strongly recommend having a separate housing already set up just in case it doesn't work... monitor very closely and keep close eye on how they react to each other.... I don't know a lot about the species you are dealing with but as long as you keep close eye on them you should be ok...

chamfriend1 said:

take this for what's its worth but I have Jackson's and I have had one male and one female In the same enclosure for over a year now[...]

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A year's worth of experience with what is ultimately one of (if not the) easiest Trioceros species to keep is not worth a whole lot as far as generalizing care is concerned.

chamfriend1 said:

[...]I understand that they have ranges they require and don't like interlopers... but (with my experiences) there are always exceptions... with all due respect to anyone who just flat out declares "keep them separate" and "only introduce during mating times" there are always exceptions to every rule...
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not saying its a good idea to just throw them together and not monitor.. but to just insist on the fact they cant be housed together is just arrogant...

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You'll note that I specifically specified that "it really is best to keep the vast majority" and that "As with most chameleon species", in order to specifically account for the fact that there are exceptions. Having worked with over 70 different species of chameleons, including the species in question, however, I can say that the only thing that is arrogant is thinking that a year of experience with T. jacksonii means you have a clue what you're talking about with the majority of chameleon species.

chamfriend1 said:

as far as the original question that was asked... if you want to house more than one together... then try it... [...]

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By all means, if the original poster is not interested in personal experience with the species in question (which is very rarely kept by anyone in captivity) and is simply looking for the answer that is easiest for them rather than best for the animal in question, then they should absolutely just try it. If they are actually looking for personal experience, however, I would once again caution against doing so, particularly if they are not a very experienced keeper.

barruezo said:

I have only one question with minimum and maximum temperatures

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They can take short periods of higher and lower temperatures provided that adequate humidity, hydration and basking are provided, but I would try to keep them below 25ºC ambient temperature and above 12ºC.

Chris

well I guess that settles that..

chamfriend1 said:

I put mine into the same home and watched them extremely close for over a month (based on everyone saying "don't house together") for any signs of issues.. and low and behold...none... they didn't show any stress any discomfort or signs of her not wanting him around or vise versa...

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There are stresses you can't see. Unless you are actually monitoring blood levels of stress hormones you can't say for certain there are no issues. I do know that in most chameleon species long term communal housing of opposite sexes diminishes the breeding instinct. So I would assume that there is a diminished hormone level in these animals.

Chris Anderson said:

A year's worth of experience with what is ultimately one of (if not the) easiest Trioceros species to keep is not worth a whole lot as far as generalizing care is concerned.



You'll note that I specifically specified that "it really is best to keep the vast majority" and that "As with most chameleon species", in order to specifically account for the fact that there are exceptions. Having worked with over 70 different species of chameleons, including the species in question, however, I can say that the only thing that is arrogant is thinking that a year of experience with T. jacksonii means you have a clue what you're talking about with the majority of chameleon species.



By all means, if the original poster is not interested in personal experience with the species in question (which is very rarely kept by anyone in captivity) and is simply looking for the answer that is easiest for them rather than best for the animal in question, then they should absolutely just try it. If they are actually looking for personal experience, however, I would once again caution against doing so, particularly if they are not a very experienced keeper.



They can take short periods of higher and lower temperatures provided that adequate humidity, hydration and basking are provided, but I would try to keep them below 25ºC ambient temperature and above 12ºC.

Chris

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This is why so few experienced keepers post replies, hell of a try though Chris.

Mike,
I appreciate what you said.. that is something I did not know... nothing in my research said anything about bio chemical stress signs.. just physical signs you can easily see... there is always something to learn... I do take both to the vet on a regular basis (about once a month is usual) and he says there is nothing he can "see" that should be concerning... however do not remember ever seeing him take blood...or even bringing that up... is that something I should have him do??

Mike Fisher said:

There are stresses you can't see. Unless you are actually monitoring blood levels of stress hormones you can't say for certain there are no issues. I do know that in most chameleon species long term communal housing of opposite sexes diminishes the breeding instinct. So I would assume that there is a diminished hormone level in these animals.

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Seen and heard many complaints on this issue. No interest in mating will be shown from the male. Take her away for a few months or introduce a new female, and start the Barry White album. That being said, during my beginning of keeping, I kept a pair of jax in a 24"x24"x48" cage. Noticed they stayed apart in their own areas. Only upon watching a live broadcast from them in another room, did I see their displeasure. They will focus on the person staring at them, rather than each other in the cage. Hence, no stress noticed. Leads to.... seperate cages.

junglefries said:

Seen and heard many complaints on this issue. No interest in mating will be shown from the male. Take her away for a few months or introduce a new female, and start the Barry White album. That being said, during my beginning of keeping, I kept a pair of jax in a 24"x24"x48" cage. Noticed they stayed apart in their own areas. Only upon watching a live broadcast from them in another room, did I see their displeasure. They will focus on the person staring at them, rather than each other in the cage. Hence, no stress noticed. Leads to.... seperate cages.

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The educational value of some of the things I've learned on this site cannot be replicated. And the difference between species is astonishing. On that note, I've heard Panthers actually prefer Marvin Gaye.

chamfriend1 said:

I appreciate what you said.. that is something I did not know... nothing in my research said anything about bio chemical stress signs.. just physical signs you can easily see... there is always something to learn... I do take both to the vet on a regular basis (about once a month is usual) and he says there is nothing he can "see" that should be concerning... however do not remember ever seeing him take blood...or even bringing that up... is that something I should have him do??

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Unless you have baseline stress hormone values for your animals to compare to, it won't be particularly informative at this point.

Chris