Why does this keep happening?

Hannah_tomes

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Hello! I had a question about why my panther chameleon keeps getting this white stuff on his eyes causing them to close up? I have an ointment for him that I got from the vet and I’m not putting a lot of his eye and the same thing happens with that too. Does this happen for anyone else? And why it’s happening and what I can do to fix it.
 
What's your supplementation schedule like?
Lack of vitamin A can cause a lot of weird things to happen with the eye. You'd need a specific kind of vitamin A they can utilize, which is present in reptivite multivitamin or Repashy calcium plus LOD.
Is it like, a white crusty film over his pupil? My chameleon got this too around shedding time, and I sort of wonder if it's related. But he was also poorly supplemented for some time in his life, being a petco baby.

(I should also add, you only give this at one feeding, bi weekly. So...Twice a month!)
 
What's your supplementation schedule like?
Lack of vitamin A can cause a lot of weird things to happen with the eye. You'd need a specific kind of vitamin A they can utilize, which is present in reptivite multivitamin or Repashy calcium plus LOD.
Is it like, a white crusty film over his pupil? My chameleon got this too around shedding time, and I sort of wonder if it's related. But he was also poorly supplemented for some time in his life, being a petco baby.

(I should also add, you only give this at one feeding, bi weekly. So...Twice a month!)
I have one supplement without vitamin D3 and then another one for vitamin Repashy vitamin A Plus. Vitamin D3 I use once or twice a week the other I use once a week too. And yes it is a white crusty film.
 
Calcium without D3 is used for every single meal, while repashy is used twice a month. On the two days that you use repashy, you won't use the calcium without d3. So pick a day that works best, personally I'm doing every other Saturday. Doing this, you may see his eye health start to fix itself.
Kinyonga asked about your lighting, and I figure what she's getting at is that chameleons need linear UVB bulbs for the correct UVB output. Often times, people use a dual UVB and heat lamp fixture, and it puts out insufficient UVB. Lack of UVB can also cause general health issues, such as problems with eye health.
If you can, it would help to show pictures of your entire enclosure setup and the chameleon itself!
 
Calcium without D3 is used for every single meal, while repashy is used twice a month. On the two days that you use repashy, you won't use the calcium without d3. So pick a day that works best, personally I'm doing every other Saturday. Doing this, you may see his eye health start to fix itself.
Kinyonga asked about your lighting, and I figure what she's getting at is that chameleons need linear UVB bulbs for the correct UVB output. Often times, people use a dual UVB and heat lamp fixture, and it puts out insufficient UVB. Lack of UVB can also cause general health issues, such as problems with eye health.
If you can, it would help to show pictures of your entire enclosure setup and the chameleon itself!
I use ReptiSun T5.
 
That sounds good...I assume it's this one?
More information would help. Do you mind filling this out?

Chameleon Info:

  • Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
  • Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
  • Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
  • Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
  • Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
  • Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
  • History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:

  • Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
  • Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
  • Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
  • Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
  • Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
  • Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
  • Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
 
I have one supplement without vitamin D3 and then another one for vitamin Repashy vitamin A Plus. Vitamin D3 I use once or twice a week the other I use once a week too. And yes it is a white crusty film.
Hi. Can you please post some pics of what supplements you are currently using? It would be great to see some pics of your chameleon and the eye problem too. It does sound like a vitamin A problem, but possibly an overdosage of it.
 
Hi. Can you please post some pics of what supplements you are currently using? It would be great to see some pics of your chameleon and the eye problem too. It does sound like a vitamin A problem, but possibly an overdosage of it.
It won’t let me post a picture I guess the “file is too big” but I use a supplement that is Repashy vitamin A. One of his eyes the vet said he could of scratched and scared it and he won’t use it but now his other eye is having problems also having a foggy look I guess is the best way I can explain it which is also shown in his bad eye. I wanted to try and use the ointment the vet gave me but it crusted over his eye and I don’t want that to happen again.
 
That sounds good...I assume it's this one?
More information would help. Do you mind filling this out?

Chameleon Info:

  • Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
  • Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
  • Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
  • Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
  • Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
  • Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
  • History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:

  • Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
  • Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
  • Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
  • Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
  • Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
  • Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
  • Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
Pascal is about 1 1/2 to 2 years old is what I was told. He is a male Panther Chameleon. I have had him since March. I try not to handle him all the time but do once in awhile to give him showers. I feed him crickets and horn worms every other day with his supplement schedule his supplement without D3 two to one time per week and his vitamin a supplement twice a month. I feed his crickets the foods my vet recommended. I use a dripper and put the reptisafe water conditioner. I have seen him drink but not for about a week unless he does it while I’m out. His fecal matter is sold dark brown and white part attached and he hasn’t been tested for parasites. He is in a screen cage the big one the pet store provided used a shower curtain on the outside to help with humidity ( I live in Colorado). Lighting his heat lamp is the one the pet store gave me as well Zoo Med lamp fixture and the daylight blue bulb 60W. His UVB is the Reptisun T5 long rod. Temperature is 85 during the day 50 to 60 at night. Oh I also mist throughout the day have a fogger set for every hour for 30 minutes. Humidity levels is from 50 to 60 during the day and 70 to 80 at night. I have two big live plants both pothos. His cage is by my closet not a high traffic area and his cage is taller than me. I’m (5’5). And again I live in Colorado.
 
@Hannah_tomes
I'll put my responses in bold. Sorry if it's a lot to read in advance! I want to be helpful for you.

Pascal is about 1 1/2 to 2 years old is what I was told. He is a male Panther Chameleon. I have had him since March. I try not to handle him all the time but do once in awhile to give him showers.
Sounds like a cute guy. I believe back in the day it was recommended to give chameleons showers to help with their shedding, but they're actually dry shedders and won't typically need extra help outside of their usual misting/dripping routine.

I feed him crickets and horn worms every other day
I've attached a list of feeder insects for chameleons. They sure do love hornworms, but they're more of a treat bug rather than a staple. If you're able to find silkworms, BSFL, and/or dubia roaches (or discoid roaches if dubia roaches are illegal in your state) the variety would be appreciated by Pascal I'm sure :)

with his supplement schedule his supplement without D3 two to one time per week and his vitamin a supplement twice a month. I feed his crickets the foods my vet recommended.
Figuring out proper supplementation may be the key to solving his eye problems.
The supplementation schedule should be as such: Calcium without d3 is given at almost every meal EXCEPT for two days of the month where, instead, you will dust the feeders with a multivitamin. Make sure the bugs are lightly dusted, and not appearing as powdered donuts. I use
this one personally.
Twice a month, you will use a multivitamin. I recommend
this specific one, reptivite. You will give this to Pascal once every other week. So, say, the 1st monday of the month, and then the 3rd monday of the month. Whatever works for you.
It is not recommended to give your chameleon a vitamin a supplement. Unfortunately, it's not really known how much is too much, and it can be easy to overdose and harm the chameleon. I would replace your vitamin a supplement with the multivitamin as soon as possible.


I use a dripper and put the reptisafe water conditioner. I have seen him drink but not for about a week unless he does it while I’m out.
Chameleons are shy drinkers! This is okay. We only really can tell how hydrated they are based on their urates.

His fecal matter is sold dark brown and white part attached and he hasn’t been tested for parasites.
And, since it's white, it does sound like he is keeping himself hydrated. It's not a bad idea to rule out parasites when next you visit the vet, also.

He is in a screen cage the big one the pet store provided used a shower curtain on the outside to help with humidity ( I live in Colorado). Lighting his heat lamp is the one the pet store gave me as well Zoo Med lamp fixture and the daylight blue bulb 60W.
As pretty as they are, colored light bulbs aren't kind to chameleon eyes. They can irritate and cause damage to their eyes. Bulbs such as these would be an improvement!

His UVB is the Reptisun T5 long rod. Temperature is 85 during the day 50 to 60 at night. Oh I also mist throughout the day have a fogger set for every hour for 30 minutes. Humidity levels is from 50 to 60 during the day and 70 to 80 at night. I have two big live plants both pothos. His cage is by my closet not a high traffic area and his cage is taller than me. I’m (5’5). And again I live in Colorado.

I'm unaware of the exact numbers to aim for with Panthers in particular, but I'd really, super recommend watching Neptune's ultimate care guide for panther chameleons. It's very in depth and will let you know a good supplementation and misting schedule, on top of basic care things. I will say, you don't need to mist nearly that much. You should generally only mist twice a day, once in the morning, and once at night, for a duration of 2 minutes or more. You want to be sure that surfaces can dry out during the day so to discourage the growth of bacteria. As for foggers, I believe these are only recommended if your temps go below 68f at night. Your temp ranges sound good so maybe letting the fogger run for a few minutes during the night would be a good idea.

I know I've gone on for a long time, but is there anywhere you can upload your photos to and then link here from? Perhaps just resizing them would work too.

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@Hannah_tomes
I'll put my responses in bold. Sorry if it's a lot to read in advance! I want to be helpful for you.

Pascal is about 1 1/2 to 2 years old is what I was told. He is a male Panther Chameleon. I have had him since March. I try not to handle him all the time but do once in awhile to give him showers.
Sounds like a cute guy. I believe back in the day it was recommended to give chameleons showers to help with their shedding, but they're actually dry shedders and won't typically need extra help outside of their usual misting/dripping routine.

I feed him crickets and horn worms every other day
I've attached a list of feeder insects for chameleons. They sure do love hornworms, but they're more of a treat bug rather than a staple. If you're able to find silkworms, BSFL, and/or dubia roaches (or discoid roaches if dubia roaches are illegal in your state) the variety would be appreciated by Pascal I'm sure :)

with his supplement schedule his supplement without D3 two to one time per week and his vitamin a supplement twice a month. I feed his crickets the foods my vet recommended.
Figuring out proper supplementation may be the key to solving his eye problems.
The supplementation schedule should be as such: Calcium without d3 is given at almost every meal EXCEPT for two days of the month where, instead, you will dust the feeders with a multivitamin. Make sure the bugs are lightly dusted, and not appearing as powdered donuts. I use
this one personally.
Twice a month, you will use a multivitamin. I recommend
this specific one, reptivite. You will give this to Pascal once every other week. So, say, the 1st monday of the month, and then the 3rd monday of the month. Whatever works for you.
It is not recommended to give your chameleon a vitamin a supplement. Unfortunately, it's not really known how much is too much, and it can be easy to overdose and harm the chameleon. I would replace your vitamin a supplement with the multivitamin as soon as possible.


I use a dripper and put the reptisafe water conditioner. I have seen him drink but not for about a week unless he does it while I’m out.
Chameleons are shy drinkers! This is okay. We only really can tell how hydrated they are based on their urates.

His fecal matter is sold dark brown and white part attached and he hasn’t been tested for parasites.
And, since it's white, it does sound like he is keeping himself hydrated. It's not a bad idea to rule out parasites when next you visit the vet, also.

He is in a screen cage the big one the pet store provided used a shower curtain on the outside to help with humidity ( I live in Colorado). Lighting his heat lamp is the one the pet store gave me as well Zoo Med lamp fixture and the daylight blue bulb 60W.
As pretty as they are, colored light bulbs aren't kind to chameleon eyes. They can irritate and cause damage to their eyes. Bulbs such as these would be an improvement!

His UVB is the Reptisun T5 long rod. Temperature is 85 during the day 50 to 60 at night. Oh I also mist throughout the day have a fogger set for every hour for 30 minutes. Humidity levels is from 50 to 60 during the day and 70 to 80 at night. I have two big live plants both pothos. His cage is by my closet not a high traffic area and his cage is taller than me. I’m (5’5). And again I live in Colorado.

I'm unaware of the exact numbers to aim for with Panthers in particular, but I'd really, super recommend watching Neptune's ultimate care guide for panther chameleons. It's very in depth and will let you know a good supplementation and misting schedule, on top of basic care things. I will say, you don't need to mist nearly that much. You should generally only mist twice a day, once in the morning, and once at night, for a duration of 2 minutes or more. You want to be sure that surfaces can dry out during the day so to discourage the growth of bacteria. As for foggers, I believe these are only recommended if your temps go below 68f at night. Your temp ranges sound good so maybe letting the fogger run for a few minutes during the night would be a good idea.

I know I've gone on for a long time, but is there anywhere you can upload your photos to and then link here from? Perhaps just resizing them would work too.

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Wow thank you so much! I will definitely make those changes and see how he improves.
 
I'd be happy if you kept us updated! Really hoping your Pascal's eyes clear up, from"concerned about his eye" cham keeper to another.
I absolutely will! And yes it has been an emotional and stressful journey so far but I am determined to keep trying and getting more advice from others too!
 
You should not be using Repashy Vitamin A plus. You are massively overdosing him with vitamin A. Take him off that and toss it. Only use plain calcium without D3 at all feedings lightly dusted for the next 8 weeks to let his system clear the vitamin A. This is a fat soluble vitamin so it stores in the tissues and takes a lot of time to fully clear.

I would not recommend reptivite as it has added phosphorus. Buy Repashy Calcium plus LoD version. It has a jackson's chameleon on the label. This would be used 2 times a month only say the 1st and the 15th of the month. BUT do not start using this until the 8 weeks have passed so his body can clear the vitamin A toxicity.


Please post pictures... Something additional is going on. What you are describing does not happen just with a vitamin overdose. Post pics of the entire enclosure including the lighting on top and of the chameleon.
 
You should not be using Repashy Vitamin A plus. You are massively overdosing him with vitamin A. Take him off that and toss it. Only use plain calcium without D3 at all feedings lightly dusted for the next 8 weeks to let his system clear the vitamin A. This is a fat soluble vitamin so it stores in the tissues and takes a lot of time to fully clear.

I would not recommend reptivite as it has added phosphorus. Buy Repashy Calcium plus LoD version. It has a jackson's chameleon on the label. This would be used 2 times a month only say the 1st and the 15th of the month. BUT do not start using this until the 8 weeks have passed so his body can clear the vitamin A toxicity.


Please post pictures... Something additional is going on. What you are describing does not happen just with a vitamin overdose. Post pics of the entire enclosure including the lighting on top and of the chameleon.
My bad, I had no idea reptivite was not recommended. I see it all the time in Neptune's videos 😓
 
My bad, I had no idea reptivite was not recommended. I see it all the time in Neptune's videos 😓
It is great if you can not get anything else... But no it is not the best option. It is just readily available. Best option is repashy calcium plus LoD it is a complete multivitamin with A and D3 plus additional stuff. But they do not add phosphorus. Phosphorus is calcium binding so this is why it is not the best idea to have it in a calcium powder as it defeats the purpose of giving calcium.
 
It is great if you can not get anything else... But no it is not the best option. It is just readily available. Best option is repashy calcium plus LoD it is a complete multivitamin with A and D3 plus additional stuff. But they do not add phosphorus. Phosphorus is calcium binding so this is why it is not the best idea to have it in a calcium powder as it defeats the purpose of giving calcium.
Thank you for that information, I'll make the switch, too!
Is reptocal without d3 okay or is there a better option for that as well? 😲
 
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