When to start breeding veieleds

[camimom]

Ok, so I am considering breeding my male veield Kink to a female translucent at some point. Still not sure if I want or not, mainly cuz I dunno what id do with all the babies.
Ne way, how old should males and females have to be to breed properly? And by properly i mean not forcing a female to produce when she isnt ready.

ANd yes I knoy Kink is not old enough now at barely 6 months, but I want plenty of time before I make a decision.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

The female should be at least 14 months old imo, but before you worry about that you'll definitely need to consider what you'll do if you get a ton of babies!

Here's some reading for you: https://www.chameleonforums.com/some-thoughts-breeding-2612/

 

[camimom]

The female should be at least 14 months old imo, but before you worry about that you'll definitely need to consider what you'll do if you get a ton of babies!

Here's some reading for you: https://www.chameleonforums.com/some-thoughts-breeding-2612/

Oh i plan on giving it plenty of thought before I decide. Besides, I have plenty of time before I can even consider it since my baby boy is only 6 months old. I know a couple people who would take one or two, and Im sure I could find more, Just got to think about it for a while.
Breeding is a large decision and not something that can be taken back once started.
Even if i dont breed, im still gonna get a trans. lol, i want one.

 

[Thompson]

There's been some people that don't worry about age but they look at the weight of the female. Though you can't really go wrong with breeding a female over 12 months because all her bones will be fully formed. IMO the female should be atleast 60+ grams and over a year. The male can be bred earlier but also should be a good weight and size. You also don't want to breed until you are ready as well to take care of your female and the babies.

 

[camimom]

There's been some people that don't worry about age but they look at the weight of the female. Though you can't really go wrong with breeding a female over 12 months because all her bones will be fully formed. IMO the female should be atleast 60+ grams and over a year. The male can be bred earlier but also should be a good weight and size. You also don't want to breed until you are ready as well to take care of your female and the babies.

Well I dont have a female right now. So even when I get one from fl chams, their trans girls are only 2 months, so she would have to grow up. I also dont feel right breeding a male so young even if i had a female of the right size now.
I also am considering how I would take care of the babies when/ if they hatch. Its not a decision I am taking lightly. I have read through many threads regarding what goes on once you have eggs and then what goes on when you have babies, and how much it costs to feed/ house them and how time consuming it can be.
I have no intentions of doing anything until I know for sure I can take care of eggs then babies, can potentially ship babies if needed, find homes, or keep if i need.want to.

 

[Carlton]

Well I dont have a female right now. So even when I get one from fl chams, their trans girls are only 2 months, so she would have to grow up. I also dont feel right breeding a male so young even if i had a female of the right size now.
I also am considering how I would take care of the babies when/ if they hatch. Its not a decision I am taking lightly. I have read through many threads regarding what goes on once you have eggs and then what goes on when you have babies, and how much it costs to feed/ house them and how time consuming it can be.
I have no intentions of doing anything until I know for sure I can take care of eggs then babies, can potentially ship babies if needed, find homes, or keep if i need.want to.

I think I'd consider why I feel the NEED to breed them in the first place. They can live full healthy lives without breeding. There are lots of baby veileds looking for homes now. Breeding does pose a risk to females. You can enjoy chams just as much (IMHO) without producing babies.

 

[camimom]

I think I'd consider why I feel the NEED to breed them in the first place. They can live full healthy lives without breeding. There are lots of baby veileds looking for homes now. Breeding does pose a risk to females. You can enjoy chams just as much (IMHO) without producing babies.

I dont feel a NEED to do it. I never thought they couldnt lead healthy lives without being bred. there are not an abundance of chams looking for homes right now, not like a dog or cat shelter. so do not preach that to me.
I simply think my cham will have pretty colors and love the thought of producing some trans babies cuz I think they are interesting. NTM i would not be starting a massive breeding project.
I also said I planned on giving it plenty of thought before I made a decision.
I am well aware breeding can be a risk to females, but even if i do breed, it would be one clutch, or two depending on if she retains any for a later date and that would be it. And when done properly, the risks are reduced. I dont plan on mass producing chams, and I dont plan on giving the babies to anyone who could not properly care for them.
THis is not a decision I would make lightly.
Chams are not something that needs a population control like dogs and cats. WHile I whole heartedly believe that peopple should spay and neuter their pets to prevent over populating, I dont feel chams fall into this category.
I may also decide that I dont want to breed or dont have time, in which case I wouldnt, even if i got another cham.

ANd if no one bred chams, neither of us would be members of this website. fyi.

 

[Ace]

i think carlton was saying in his post, aslo partly meant that Veileds are the most commonly and actually abundant chameleon species here, since they are one of the easiest to breed and care( i dont know by experience)

you still have the right and want to breed is fine as long as the safety precautions are met.

your clutch can be between 30-70 eggs and that is without a retained clutch

im not the one that does this , but you can "control the amount" of eggs by basically "disposing" the number of eggs you dont want until you have a reasonable amount you feel you can take care for.....

or be really on to of your female veields husbandry to produce minimal amount of eggs

i think the hardest part iws caring for the babies upto about 3 months old..... feeding, misting and cleaning, need ALOT of fruit flies and pinheads crix

it is alot of time and Money...and if you plan to sell them , you are lucky to even break even,

i suggest also if you do plan to do this is learn how to ship, for people that want one but are far away . this is another advantage of being able to sell the babies with a better chance imo

 

[camimom]

i think carlton was saying in his post, aslo partly meant that Veileds are the most commonly and actually abundant chameleon species here, since they are one of the easiest to breed and care( i dont know by experience)

you still have the right and want to breed is fine as long as the safety precautions are met.

your clutch can be between 30-70 eggs and that is without a retained clutch

im not the one that does this , but you can "control the amount" of eggs by basically "disposing" the number of eggs you dont want until you have a reasonable amount you feel you can take care for.....

or be really on to of your female veields husbandry to produce minimal amount of eggs

i think the hardest part iws caring for the babies upto about 3 months old..... feeding, misting and cleaning, need ALOT of fruit flies and pinheads crix

it is alot of time and Money...and if you plan to sell them , you are lucky to even break even,

i suggest also if you do plan to do this is learn how to ship, for people that want one but are far away . this is another advantage of being able to sell the babies with a better chance imo

I wouldnt controlt he eggs by throwin them out. Its mean i think.
I know that babies are hard to handle when little, i got my boy at 2 weeks old.
I know its time nad money, thus why im going to give it lots of thought before i make a decision. I may consider selling them, and I have every intention of learning how to ship.

 

[Ace]

I wouldnt controlt he eggs by throwin them out. Its mean i think.
I know that babies are hard to handle when little, i got my boy at 2 weeks old.
I know its time nad money, thus why im going to give it lots of thought before i make a decision. I may consider selling them, and I have every intention of learning how to ship.

thats fine...

just be your own person and you dont have to "prove us" or anyone on the forums.

its your total decision...its not like we cant stop you....and no one is gonna be mean at you for not listening to them

this is just a place to learn and hopefully apply knowledge to experience

i think breeding is a both hard BUT so rewarding imo as a chameleon keeper

then again i plan to be a hobbyist cham breeder someday so then i guess i look forward to the challenge

 

[Carlton]

i think carlton was saying in his post, aslo partly meant that Veileds are the most commonly and actually abundant chameleon species here, since they are one of the easiest to breed and care( i dont know by experience)

Thank you! That's exactly what I meant. Producing more of a commonly available species might mean you can't give them all homes that easily, even for the cost of shipping them.

 

[camimom]

thats fine...

just be your own person and you dont have to "prove us" or anyone on the forums.

its your total decision...its not like we cant stop you....and no one is gonna be mean at you for not listening to them

this is just a place to learn and hopefully apply knowledge to experience

i think breeding is a both hard BUT so rewarding imo as a chameleon keeper

then again i plan to be a hobbyist cham breeder someday so then i guess i look forward to the challenge

I only wnat to breed her one time. so I guess a hobbyist breeder too. I just want to see what I can get from a regular male and a trans girl. I dont plan on using her as a breeding machine, jsut one clutch (and by one i mean after she lays ALL her eggs, retained and all)