What is the cost of breeding veileds?

[Chamero]

I actually have a pet store around here that, surprisingly, does not know how to care for chameleons... I visited a few times and noticed the deteriorating health on them.

Anyway, the other day, I actually propositioned him to hire me for a week or two so I could set up his cages. He and I both knew it was gonna die if not.

I told him Id use as much of his merchandise as possible so customers will still spend as much as they could there. This will workout best for both the chams and him..like I said before..Its all about the money..this way, I save him money..I get paid...and I save the chams...

All I gotta do now, is print out some basic care sheets for him to pass out when customers buy... (if he calls me lol)

 

[jojothefirst]

Lets be honest for a minute, its a business. No matter what, you're doing this to try to make money, if you weren't.. then you wouldn't risk your females health and take years off of her life.

Don’t mean to be rude but who are you to tell me my reasons for doing anything?
I have already said that I will get a lot of enjoyment out of doing this irrespective of if I make money or not.
Yes I believe I will make money out of this but if I don’t, as long as it doesn’t take all my spare money it will be a great experience.

Even if I made loads of money out of this I will not do this again for while....my female is showing signs that she wants to breed again but I am not allowing it as I don’t think its fair on her.

I no it can sometimes be controlled with there diet but chances are she will lay infertile eggs throughout her life so how am I going to "risk your females health and take years off of her life" by getting her to lay fertile eggs instead???

I accept all constructive criticism but I don’t except you telling me my ethics surrounding what I do.

 

[Sang]

jojo, i don't thin that was intended torwards you, but everyone in general.


honestly with vieleds, i really don't think you break even unless your dealing with a color morph/high end color vieleds.

translucents.....

otherwise its not ideal to just do it to do it.

 

[jojothefirst]

we do have specialty stores here in the states,

Reptile and birds stores are rare nowadays, i know of like 5-6 each.

pets inc is your mom and pop style pet store, small rodents, they don't keep puppies/cats anymore. reptiles and fish, no birds.

but for instance this place out here, predator reptile, i went into his facilities to take a look at his store, i saw how he was keeping his jacksosn, 10-15 in one 30"x 30" x 18" cage, all extremly dehydrated/ill and several on deaths door. they were bought in bulk for very cheap, he sold a majority of them, and made his money back and then some. the rest he just didn't care about/ have time to triage them back to health.

otherwise we have corporate pet stores, petco/petsmart.

its really hard finding good stores within the united states.

the owner of pets inc, while in the business for prophet, his managers and staff are some of the best people i have met in any petstore, and always willing to go that extra mile in correcting any errors in their husbandry. sick animals are treated quickly, cages are cleaned daily if not more, all food is freash and changed out. in the 23 years i have been going there , i can't say i have a single thing bad to say about pets inc, except that they are a little bit lacking in knowledge about chameleons.

I no nothing about jacksons but even I know that’s ridicules size cage!
We have a Pet smart over hear, they used to sell reptiles about 5 years ago but only sell the usual rodents, birds and fish now.....I guess they found that to keep the reptiles healthy they couldn’t make any money.
I live in south Wales and within 2 miles of me there is 1 reptile shop and 1 shop that sells reptiles, exotic birds like macaws and some fish which all seem well looked after and health to me.

I work in Cardiff and there are at least 2 reptile specific shops there....(properly more that I don’t no about) both of which seem to have very healthy reptiles.

 

[Sang]

10-15 animals in a cage that is 30" x 30" x 18" is horribly crampt and small, housed together the stress is immense, jacksons are montane species and require a high amount of humidity along with cool temperature.

needless to say the remaining 10 jacksons he had, he let them die.


30"x 30" inch is quiet small thats less then a yard or what ever you guys measure with.

i might house 1 jackson in a cage that size.

 

[sandrachameleon]

...You said in the other post that they cost bettween $5 and $10 for 100 pin head/micro crickets ...So it does cost alot more for crickets in the USA if those stats are correct.

Im not in the USA. I am in Canada. A Canadian dollar is worth about 95 USA cents, or about 0.5622 GBPound

 

[jojothefirst]

jojo, i don't thin that was intended torwards you, but everyone in general.


honestly with vieleds, i really don't think you break even unless your dealing with a color morph/high end color vieleds.

translucents.....

otherwise its not ideal to just do it to do it.

I except his opinion's, and he properly no's a lot more than me and may well be right, but he has no idea about my reasons for doing things and is out of order suggesting I am deliberately harming my female for financial gain.
Any way, I hope to prove people wrong and will leave it at that.

 

[jojothefirst]

Im not in the USA. I am in Canada. A Canadian dollar is worth about 95 USA cents, or about 0.5622 GBPound

I do appologise.

Are the cost of food in canada around the same as in the USA?

 

[chequepoint]

I except his opinion's, and he properly no's a lot more than me and may well be right, but he has no idea about my reasons for doing things and is out of order suggesting I am deliberately harming my female for financial gain.
Any way, I hope to prove people wrong and will leave it at that.

I think you misunderstood me. If you're honestly not breeding these animals for money, which I'll believe you on, I'm personally curious as to what your motivations are. Obviously you're taking a calculated gamble with the life of your female, what is the payoff for you if its not money?

 

[Malicious]

Obviously you're taking a calculated gamble with the life of your female, what is the payoff for you if its not money?

Take it easy Chequepoint, If the guy wants to give it a go, let him.


Hatching a clutch sucessfully and watching your babies grow and thrive can be a personal achievement. It's not always about money. Selling some to try and offset the cost is fine aswell. I see no problem with that either It's when you just do it for the money, and disreguard the animals well being, is where I see it to be a problem. You need to have the knowledge and resorces to do it right, or not at all.

JoJo,

If you are in it for the right reasons, I think you can do it. You know right off the bat your not going to get rich off it, and more then likely your going to loose money. Continue to do your home work and when you chams are ready and your knowledgable enough, and funds allow it, give it a go. I wish you the best of luck.

-Jay

 

[jojothefirst]

I think you misunderstood me. If you're honestly not breeding these animals for money, which I'll believe you on, I'm personally curious as to what your motivations are. Obviously you're taking a calculated gamble with the life of your female, what is the payoff for you if its not money?

I have said several times that I will enjoy doing it and it will be a good experience.
If I thought I would loss lots of money of course I wouldnt do it and if it turns out that thats what happens then I will not do it again, but if I make money or brake even I would do it again in the future.

I remember you suggesting that you are breeding or are thinking about breeding (you said exactly in post 6, "Not saying that I won't breed, or even that I don't"), so not sure how you can criticise me for "risking your females health and take years off of her life".
Although I do note you have back tracked a litte and put "calculated gamble with the life of your female" in your last post.

 

[jojothefirst]

Take it easy Chequepoint, If the guy wants to give it a go, let him.


Hatching a clutch sucessfully and watching your babies grow and thrive can be a personal achievement. It's not always about money. Selling some to try and offset the cost is fine aswell. I see no problem with that either It's when you just do it for the money, and disreguard the animals well being, is where I see it to be a problem. You need to have the knowledge and resorces to do it right, or not at all.

JoJo,

If you are in it for the right reasons, I think you can do it. You know right off the bat your not going to get rich off it, and more then likely your going to loose money. Continue to do your home work and when you chams are ready and your knowledgable enough, and funds allow it, give it a go. I wish you the best of luck.

-Jay

Thank you jay,

That is pretty much what im trying to say, yes I hope to make money, but as long as it doesnt cost me a arm and a leg I will still enjoy it.

I only started this thread to gain from other, more experinced cham owner's and to find out the difference in cost from the USA/ Canada to UK and found out that it would seem to cost less to breed in the UK so whilst its not a good idea outside the UK it might be more practicle in the UK. Cant really see why that guys got such an issue with that.

 

[Chamero]

Keep in mind that there are still a few differences between Can, USA, and UK. Yes, feeders might be less, but so might be the market of potential buyers.

England's population is much more limited, whereas USA is a much bigger place, with the ability to ship across state lines. (sometimes even to canada)

That being said, IVe think we've all thought about trying to breed at some point or another. And if you do attempt it, for whatever reason, just know that you probably wont make any money on the first batch.

Also, if you do go though with this project, please document an itemized list of all expenses and what not for future references. Would help a lot of people a bunch. Thanks, and good luck.

 

[eisentrauti]

There are many ways to save money without get less quality:
- build cages instead of buy them
- breed your own feeders and catch as much as possible outdoors ( make flies and fruit flies traps )
- This depends on the temperatures / where you live: keep them outside, save energy
- build drippers instead of buy things like the spectacular volcano

There are sure some other ways but that's all I remind at the moment

 

[Julirs]

Lets be honest for a minute, its a business. No matter what, you're doing this to try to make money, if you weren't.. then you wouldn't risk your females health and take years off of her life.

I take offense at this. Sorry-but I do.

I have a job. I did this for the experience. The majority of my last clutch of Veileds was sold to people on this forum. The rest were sold at shows by people on this forum-where people became well versed on their care-something Petstores seem to fail at. IF I factored in the hidden costs, the profit was small. If I did not have the ability to ship cheaply, the profit would have been gone.

 

[jojothefirst]

Keep in mind that there are still a few differences between Can, USA, and UK. Yes, feeders might be less, but so might be the market of potential buyers.

England's population is much more limited, whereas USA is a much bigger place, with the ability to ship across state lines. (sometimes even to canada)

Also, if you do go though with this project, please document an itemized list of all expenses and what not for future references. Would help a lot of people a bunch. Thanks, and good luck.

I have read on hear that they get sold for $30 - 40 and pet shops take them for $20. In uk im hoping 2 get £30 and if not i can get £20 in local pet shop so if thats right they are worth more
I am going to document the cost of everything i can think of before my eggs hatch and then the actual cost afterwards. P.s, i live in wales and us welsh dont like being called english lol.

 

[jojackson]

- build drippers instead of buy things like the spectacular volcano

Ich lache viel

 

[eisentrauti]

perfect !

 

[jojackson]

Should have read "Ich lachte viel" . Grammar error.

Ich bin ein Perfektionist

 

[eisentrauti]

That's also ok. Do you have German in school or why did you speak it ?