Ok I have tried everything to get my panther's urate nice and bright white. I mist every 3 hours for about 6-8 minutes. I fill up the dropper and let it drop and I spray the enclosure with a handheld. I typically feed him crickets which are gut loaded with various fruits and veggies. His poop still isn't looking the way i wish. Please note my pictures, what should I do? He is six months old is it time to move into a bigger cagE?
What am I doing wrong?
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Miss Lily
Chameleon Enthusiast
How often does he poop? Lily sometimes doesn't 'go' for a week or more and when she does her urates are orange looking. The part that's been inside her the longest is always darker than the last bit to leave the body which is always white. She pooped today having not pooped for a week and the urates were quite orange looking with a white tip, BUT I have seen her drink every day. I offer her a hamster bottle as well as misting and she always drinks from it. When she produces every day her urates are always white. I think it also depends on how long the urate is retained in the body. That's my experience with my chameleon, anyway.
Chameleons Northwest
Avid Member
Greetings, and sorry to see you're having recurring problems. In an earlier thread someone asked for photos of your cham but you did not respond. The poop does not look normal. I think photos of your cham would really help here, and also if you would answer these routine questions (which we have most all of us had to fill out at one time or another). They are taken from the "how to ask for help" sticky in the health forum. I reviewed your earlier threads and don't see that you have been asked to fill this out yet. Please be as specific as possible. I am particularly interested in a detailed description of your gutload and feeders.
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Current Problem - The current problem that you are concerned about.
Sandra (Gesang) does her own fecals, so follow her advice and she can get you going the right direction. Was the animal wild caught or in physical contact with wild caught Chams?
Nick
Sorry here is more details!! Thanks!
Cage Info:
Cage Type - I have a mesh cage I bought from Screameleons dimenstions are 24x24x36, I have the bigger cage that believe is somewhere around 4ft, haven't swtiched him to it yet. When should i?
Lighting - I don't know the lightbulb unfortunately, I bought it at petsmart and it's safe for misting. Sorry for limited info. Degrees in the cage is usually around 80 in the basking spot.
Temperature - Basking spot 80, then down one branch 70 at night it's about 65-70
Humidity - Humidity stays around 50-60% increases with misting of course which i do 4 times a day every 3 hours for 6-8 minutes also fill the dropper once a day and let it drop that lasts a few hours
Plants - Patho plant
Placement - The cage is in my bedroom at waist level on top of a sink.
Location - Northern Virginia
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - 6 month old panther purchased from screameleons got him when he was 3 months
Handling - I don't
Feeding - Feed him gut loaded crickets once a day gut loaded mainly with apples oranges and brocolli, he' fed 10-12 crickets
Supplements - I"ll have to get back to you on this, my bf feeds him
Watering - I haven't seen him drink I use the promist
Fecal Description - Never been tested for parasites, his stool is solid, he poops about once a week there is a little pure white urate but for the most part it looks like his poop has a light tan film over it
History - No previous problems he had the gulgar edema but that we cleared up and lightened on the supplements
Current Problem - His poop!! See pictures
Cage Info:
Cage Type - I have a mesh cage I bought from Screameleons dimenstions are 24x24x36, I have the bigger cage that believe is somewhere around 4ft, haven't swtiched him to it yet. When should i?
Lighting - I don't know the lightbulb unfortunately, I bought it at petsmart and it's safe for misting. Sorry for limited info. Degrees in the cage is usually around 80 in the basking spot.
Temperature - Basking spot 80, then down one branch 70 at night it's about 65-70
Humidity - Humidity stays around 50-60% increases with misting of course which i do 4 times a day every 3 hours for 6-8 minutes also fill the dropper once a day and let it drop that lasts a few hours
Plants - Patho plant
Placement - The cage is in my bedroom at waist level on top of a sink.
Location - Northern Virginia
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - 6 month old panther purchased from screameleons got him when he was 3 months
Handling - I don't
Feeding - Feed him gut loaded crickets once a day gut loaded mainly with apples oranges and brocolli, he' fed 10-12 crickets
Supplements - I"ll have to get back to you on this, my bf feeds him
Watering - I haven't seen him drink I use the promist
Fecal Description - Never been tested for parasites, his stool is solid, he poops about once a week there is a little pure white urate but for the most part it looks like his poop has a light tan film over it
History - No previous problems he had the gulgar edema but that we cleared up and lightened on the supplements
Current Problem - His poop!! See pictures
Chameleons Northwest
Avid Member
Thank you for the additional information. What I can see of your chameleon looks very handsome. But the photo doesn't show enough of him to really determine physical condition. It may just be the photo, but it looks like your cham has some bubbling around his left eye?
Aside from the fruit and vegetables, what are you feeding the crickets? What is the dry food? And, if you can get the info on the supplement schedule, that would help.
Broccoli is from the cabbage family. I don't know that it is considered a good gutload. Here is a list of recommended fruits/vegetables for the moist portion of feeder gutload. It is taken from "studiocham's" gutload recipe list.
Collard greens
Mustard greens
Turnip greens
Carrots
Yam or sweet potato
Orange or other mild citrus in quarters, leave peel on
Organic prickly pears, seeds removed, in season
Strawberries, in season
Banana, no peel
I know others use different items, but I haven't heard of anyone using broccoli.
And, if you would look on your lightbulb to see what it is that would really help. There really should be 2 lights. One for basking and one for UVB. Are you using only one? And was it recommended by the pet store?
Aside from the fruit and vegetables, what are you feeding the crickets? What is the dry food? And, if you can get the info on the supplement schedule, that would help.
Broccoli is from the cabbage family. I don't know that it is considered a good gutload. Here is a list of recommended fruits/vegetables for the moist portion of feeder gutload. It is taken from "studiocham's" gutload recipe list.
Collard greens
Mustard greens
Turnip greens
Carrots
Yam or sweet potato
Orange or other mild citrus in quarters, leave peel on
Organic prickly pears, seeds removed, in season
Strawberries, in season
Banana, no peel
I know others use different items, but I haven't heard of anyone using broccoli.
And, if you would look on your lightbulb to see what it is that would really help. There really should be 2 lights. One for basking and one for UVB. Are you using only one? And was it recommended by the pet store?
Chameleons Northwest
Avid Member
Oh yeah I have a UVB light. I can check the bulbs when I get home (at work) right now. We use carrots and apples and oranges as well. My bf is in charge of all the bug stuff. I will ask him when I get home. His eyes look good, just a little darker than the rest of his body but not sunken in or anything. I tried to get a better picture but man was he pissed!!
