little leaf
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PLEASE, before you read any further- know these things -
this was NOT my cham to start with, she came to me a few days ago- the original owner said she was losing the use of her back legs - I am very sad about the death, I am going to describe a few things that may be upsetting to you ( there were to me ) but I am trying to learn form this, and maybe others can also learn - I dont make a habit of cutting up my chams- I came very close to not posting this at all , as one part is very upsetting - but I want to know why. But a greater loss would be to learn nothing from this.......
it was a sad day today, the little mamma lost her battle - I don't quite understand , because she was doing fine one hr, and when I checked on her, almost dead the next, and then her tongue fell out ? I waited until she passed, and then tried to save the babies, the X-rays were correct, and there were in fact 14 babies, and 1 slug - that is just to many for her size, she is only about 4.5 " long vent to nose - she just had no room to breath, and that I think is what lead to her URI ? - she just gasped all the time - I am posting these pics because I find anything you can learn from a good thing - these babies were fully formed, even have tiny little tongues and toe nails . I think there were maybe 2/3 weeks until due- they only needed their "skin" - if anyone knows how far along they are- please say - I have seen babies born, but never a fetus like this - if they were more formed I do believe they could have made it - this I do not understand - when I was sure she had passed, I did sever her spine behind her neck , just encase I was wrong - but I am sure she had passed, now this is upsetting, and really bothers me- I made a small slit, removed the uterus - as seen in pics- now mind you, at this point there is NO WAY the mother is still alive, the babies had heart beats for almost 15 min AFTER they were removed from her - how can this be? it was extremely upsetting - I called the vet, but could not get them to see how to end the heart beats - I do not think they suffered, they lay quiet in the little sacks - until they passed. how can this happen, or were they further than I think? we took one out of the birth sack to see if it could breath, but it could not- it was very sad
I hope some find this useful, or at least may have found a bit of info that will help them help a cham- I had her to one vet, and she had an apt on Thur w/ another - but she just could not hang on
I save the little fetuses, I am going to give them to my vet because he is also a teacher of vet/ med. and these can help show the fetal development of the Jackson X chameleon - note the one slug , and how they are all facing the same way ~
also, if I did anything wrong on her care ( see other post ) , someone please tell me , so I do not repeat any mistakes - there are post in health - thanks to all who offered help -
this was NOT my cham to start with, she came to me a few days ago- the original owner said she was losing the use of her back legs - I am very sad about the death, I am going to describe a few things that may be upsetting to you ( there were to me ) but I am trying to learn form this, and maybe others can also learn - I dont make a habit of cutting up my chams- I came very close to not posting this at all , as one part is very upsetting - but I want to know why. But a greater loss would be to learn nothing from this.......
it was a sad day today, the little mamma lost her battle - I don't quite understand , because she was doing fine one hr, and when I checked on her, almost dead the next, and then her tongue fell out ? I waited until she passed, and then tried to save the babies, the X-rays were correct, and there were in fact 14 babies, and 1 slug - that is just to many for her size, she is only about 4.5 " long vent to nose - she just had no room to breath, and that I think is what lead to her URI ? - she just gasped all the time - I am posting these pics because I find anything you can learn from a good thing - these babies were fully formed, even have tiny little tongues and toe nails . I think there were maybe 2/3 weeks until due- they only needed their "skin" - if anyone knows how far along they are- please say - I have seen babies born, but never a fetus like this - if they were more formed I do believe they could have made it - this I do not understand - when I was sure she had passed, I did sever her spine behind her neck , just encase I was wrong - but I am sure she had passed, now this is upsetting, and really bothers me- I made a small slit, removed the uterus - as seen in pics- now mind you, at this point there is NO WAY the mother is still alive, the babies had heart beats for almost 15 min AFTER they were removed from her - how can this be? it was extremely upsetting - I called the vet, but could not get them to see how to end the heart beats - I do not think they suffered, they lay quiet in the little sacks - until they passed. how can this happen, or were they further than I think? we took one out of the birth sack to see if it could breath, but it could not- it was very sad
I hope some find this useful, or at least may have found a bit of info that will help them help a cham- I had her to one vet, and she had an apt on Thur w/ another - but she just could not hang on
I save the little fetuses, I am going to give them to my vet because he is also a teacher of vet/ med. and these can help show the fetal development of the Jackson X chameleon - note the one slug , and how they are all facing the same way ~
also, if I did anything wrong on her care ( see other post ) , someone please tell me , so I do not repeat any mistakes - there are post in health - thanks to all who offered help -