ollygatorsnapper
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i was in the pet store today and i stumbled upon UVB drops that you give to your reptiles in place of lighting. anybody know anything about this?
UVB Drops?
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bridgofaith
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Petsmart 
sells it: http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752427
Personally there is no way I am giving this to ANY of my reptiles. It contains Cholecalciferol, which I am not familiar with, but is a form of Vit. D3. I'm going to stick with my ReptiSun 5.0 and calcium with D3 once a month and be happy.
sells it: http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752427Personally there is no way I am giving this to ANY of my reptiles. It contains Cholecalciferol, which I am not familiar with, but is a form of Vit. D3. I'm going to stick with my ReptiSun 5.0 and calcium with D3 once a month and be happy.
Elizadolots
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I would want years of testing to prove that was safe....heck, they put drugs for humans on the market that turn out to have long term issues because the FDA believes 3 years is long enough. It's not.
I suppose if one were in a situation where power was problematic and the sun could not be used, then having a stash of that on hand would be good....but really, how many of us are in Antarctica?
I suppose if one were in a situation where power was problematic and the sun could not be used, then having a stash of that on hand would be good....but really, how many of us are in Antarctica?
ChamFreak
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Petsmart
Personally there is no way I am giving this to ANY of my reptiles. It contains Cholecalciferol, which I am not familiar with, but is a form of Vit. D3. I'm going to stick with my ReptiSun 5.0 and calcium with D3 once a month and be happy.
I am a Chemist...
I pulled a MSDS on this material... its toxic.... I would not sugguest giving this to your chameleon or even yourself....(not that you would)
http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Cholecalciferol-9923455
bridgofaith
Avid Member
Thanks, I was just looking up that ingredient and reading about it. Absolutely NO WAY that will go into any of my reptiles. Unfortunately, I think many people will see this in store and think this is a huge money saving problem solver. It actually scares me to see this on the market with the steep claims it is making.
Here's what I found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholecalciferol
ollygatorsnapper
New Member
ok, i thought it would be to good to be true, there was something about uvb light in a drop that just seems too risky to me. sure would be nice not ever having to replace bulbs every 6 months. thanks for the info
Ellron
Established Member
Steep Claims
* Eliminates the need of expensive UVB lighting systems or other vitamin D3 supplements.
* Prevents and reverses Metabolic Bone Disease in captive Green Iguanas and other lizards, turtle and tortoise species.
* Uniquely palatable formulas for diurnal (daytime active) reptiles.
* Tested and proven at captive reptile breeding farms around the world.
These are crazy statements!
* Eliminates the need of expensive UVB lighting systems or other vitamin D3 supplements.
* Prevents and reverses Metabolic Bone Disease in captive Green Iguanas and other lizards, turtle and tortoise species.
* Uniquely palatable formulas for diurnal (daytime active) reptiles.
* Tested and proven at captive reptile breeding farms around the world.
These are crazy statements!
ChamFreak
Avid Member
it is scary, the thing they do is put a low PPM (part per million) "low levels of the material) but honestly, it doesnt change the fact that it's in there and its extremly hazardous to the health of the animal.
were always trying to mimic the sun and the values it has, were close hints our UVB bulbs but, nothing we can create will give the values it holds (we may one day)
were always trying to mimic the sun and the values it has, were close hints our UVB bulbs but, nothing we can create will give the values it holds (we may one day)
bridgofaith
Avid Member
Exactly. MBD can not be reversed. It's progress can be stopped and it can be prevented, but not reversed.
bridgofaith
Avid Member
Yes, but unfortunately, many people will believe it and give it to their animals. Many animals will suffer.
Elizadolots
New Member
Is there no recourse? Can we do anything as individuals or a group to make them take the product off the market or at least make it prescription only? (because, who would prescribe it?)
ollygatorsnapper
New Member
A veterinarian, Dr. Keith Benson, who was on my Turtle-l mailing list said regarding Vitamin D3 or Solar drops:
"What I find interesting is that the dose is given irrespective of the size of the animal. Surely this will result in some overdosing and under dosing. D3 is considered (and this is based on very little, if any, data) safe at about 100 IU/kg/week in reptiles. The material in the bottle claims to have 1,500 IU per ml, and one drop averages about 1/20 of an ml. That would be like giving 750 IU - theoretically enough to treat 7.5 kilograms of reptile. Now, I realize that the dose might be higher than the one above, or lower - no one knows, even the folks that make this product Consider how concentrated this material is, then consider the damage that overdosing vitamin D can do (renal disease, soft tissue mineralization etc.) and I would say that until more data regarding the metabolism of this material in reptiles is know I would choose not to use it."
"What I find interesting is that the dose is given irrespective of the size of the animal. Surely this will result in some overdosing and under dosing. D3 is considered (and this is based on very little, if any, data) safe at about 100 IU/kg/week in reptiles. The material in the bottle claims to have 1,500 IU per ml, and one drop averages about 1/20 of an ml. That would be like giving 750 IU - theoretically enough to treat 7.5 kilograms of reptile. Now, I realize that the dose might be higher than the one above, or lower - no one knows, even the folks that make this product
Consider how concentrated this material is, then consider the damage that overdosing vitamin D can do (renal disease, soft tissue mineralization etc.) and I would say that until more data regarding the metabolism of this material in reptiles is know I would choose not to use it."
Chameleon Loco
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unfortunately there is very little we can do
There is no organization like i.e. the FDA that evaluates these crazy claims by these companies they are free to put what ever they want on their products.
There is no organization like i.e. the FDA that evaluates these crazy claims by these companies they are free to put what ever they want on their products.
Ellron
Established Member
Its false advertising. Its illegal. If they advertised A as B, its illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising
Chameleon Loco
New Member
Correct but with no one to monitor it is allowed to slide
Chameleon Loco
New Member
yes then they will become collectables so we should stock up on them
