Undigested BSF larvae

Blmelton

Established Member
Every time I feed my 6 month old female veiled chameleon BSF larvae (small 1/4 inch), I find them undigested in her poop afterward. I feed at about 6:30 am. Yes, I am 100% sure that is what I am seeing. They come out looking exactly the way they did when they went in. I know this is gross, but once there was one that was still alive. This does not happen with any other feeder. Is this a sign of illness? Is it possible for them to have an "intolerance" for certain common feeders? Should I increase basking to help with digestion? Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.
  • Your Chameleon - Veiled, female, age unknown- estimated 6 months old. She has been in my care 1 month.
  • Handling - Lately, she has been coming up to me when I am misting or cleaning her cage and crawling on to me. I take this opportunity to let her come out for a few minutes each time (once every day/ every other day).
  • Feeding - crickets, superworms, small Dubai and BSF larvae (small 1/4 inch). I have offered squash & kale but she did not eat it. We are transitioning to feeding every other day. Currently she eats 6 feeders on day one and 4 feeders on day 2 then repeat. The feeders have been given squash, apples, kale, & oranges and cricket crack.
  • Supplements - Calcium w/O D3 daily, multivitamin 2 x monthly, Calcium with D3 2x monthly.
  • Watering -Large homemade dripper- 24 hrs a day. Hand spray 2 times a day for aprox 2-5 minutes.
  • Fecal Description - brown feces with mostly white urates. She has not ever been tested for parasites?
  • History - The pet store said they had her in the back due to space and they frequently handled and hand fed her.
Cage Info:

  • Cage Type - 30 inches by 16 inches screen Zoo Med cage- My husband is building her a bigger enclosure hopefully finished by spring/summer.
  • Lighting - I have a t5 with 6% Arcadia. Lighting is on a timer that turns on from 7 am -7 pm.
  • Temperature -Floor ~70 degrees Basking~85 degrees. Lowest overnight temp- 64 degrees. I measure the temps with the Zoomed digital thermometer, temperature gun, and AccuRite digital thermometer & humidity gauge.
  • Humidity - ~40-60% (80 after misting) Misting 2 times daily for aprox 2- 5 minutes each.
  • Plants - some artificial vines with leaves & 2 live pothos along with 2 of another species of plant (I can’t remember what kind at the moment, but I took the safe plant list with me when I bought it).
  • Placement - The cage is not near an air vent. It is in my bedroom. The cage is sitting up on a utility shelf with drainage bin underneath.
  • Location - South Carolina
  • Current problem- Undigested bsf larvae in feces. No other feeders go undigested.
 

Blmelton

Established Member
She doesn't appear to chew them at all. They are so small it often looks like she swallows them whole. I will still take pics when I get home. I know everyone will be SO excited to see my poop pics after dinner this evening :p
 

Blmelton

Established Member
Ok, sorry to disappoint, but no poop today. I thought my 13 year old may have cleaned it up, but then I thought...nah. What was I thinking? Maybe tomorrow . Lights out in 10 minutes.
 
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Blmelton

Established Member
So, obviously if they aren’t being digested they aren’t doing her any good nutritionally, but she LOVES them. I read that you can feed them bananas to increase their size. Is that true or should I just let them do their thing and feed them when they turn into flies?
 
Be BSFL will only grow to a certain size. No bigger! So, they are not a suitable feeder for most bigger chameleons no matter what you feed to the BSFL. The flies are a lot easier to digest than the larvae.
 

Brodybreaux25

Chameleon Enthusiast
In pretty sure adult BSFs don’t eat, their sole pourpose is to reproduce and die. Imagine the story the undigested BSFL have to tell their friends when they come out the other side!
 

Brodybreaux25

Chameleon Enthusiast
So BSFL are composting machines, why don’t they pose a threat to the Cham if they are alive the whole time? Why wouldn’t they snack on the chams insides?
 
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