Tragic love story or coincidence?

FFSTRescue

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I have an elderly Oustalets chameleon who has had to be treated accordingly for quite some time now. He has started to go downhill within the past couple of weeks, and due to his age, I have been giving him Reptaid as opposed to other medications that would just irreparably damage his kidneys, which are already compromised due to his age and the fact that he is WC. He is crashing today, has gone into complete kidney failure, has fluid in his lungs and his heart rate has significantly decreased. He is in multi-organ failure. I can't do anything but keep him comfortable until he passes, so I took away the barrier that I had up separating him from the female so he could see her, which has always made him a happy old man, and put him on a very comfortable pillow.
He and this female have been together for over a year. They always have wanted each other in their sites, whenever they were free-ranged, they would go to the others' cage. Because she was so much younger and smaller than him, I kept them in separate cages but right next to each other and they would sit as closely as possible to each other. A month or so ago, she started showing receptive coloration, so I bred them. Then she showed gravid coloration, and was irritated by his presence, I separated them, which really upset him, and every once in a while, I would allow them to see each other, and she was fine with it. This closeness is not uncommon with Ousties.
He started crashing this morning and went downhill by the hour. I have been treating him, gave him fluids, nebulized him, etc, but nothing has helped and it is just his time. A few hours ago, the gravid female (which I have started another thread about for this) just dropped 3 premature, underdeveloped eggs in her tree right where she was sitting. They are not suffering from some ailment, she is healthy, they are housed outside in ideal conditions, ideal diet, plenty of calcium and natural sunlight, blah blah blah (yes she has been examined recently and is just fine) and my other Ousties and Verrucosus are just fine. It is just these two that are having issues, and they are in separate cages but were completely aware of what was going on with each other, since I removed the barrier, which is nothing unusual and I frequently do. I am not one to anthropomorphize, but this is just too odd to only be coincidence. Even if she was having her own completely unrelated problems, to happen on the same day is very strange. I think the stress of seeing him dying may have caused her to abort the eggs. I am heartbroken as, not only am I losing my old man (as I have always called him), but his offspring as well. I just checked on him and he has finally passed. RIP "Old Man".
 
And people say they are just reptiles with no feelings - I will never believe it. I am sorry for your old man to go but there is no doubt he was loved by both you and "his female". His life could have been much worst. May he RIP.
 
Thank you both. He seemed to live a happy life, I am glad he had his female and wasn't alone. You are right Laurie, we need to give them more credit than we do.
 
Sorry to hear about your loss. Its not easy losing one of these critters.

Interesting story though. I've heard a few like this with ousalet's and parson's.

Don't be too sure that the female dumped eggs. It might be that she dumped a few that were too far along when they mated. I read some of your old posts and IMHO she has a few more days to go before she should lay "his" eggs...so she may surprise you yet.

The only thing I didn't like about her reaction is that there was a membrane joining the eggs she pushed out.
 
I am really bothered by the membrane too, that really has me worried. I'm having radiographs done tomorrow. Won't tell me much, but it might give me some insight.
 
I'm so sorry.

I wonder if she "dumped" some retained nonviable eggs in preparation for laying her fertilized eggs? I find the whole process just this side of alchemy so something like that wouldn't surprise me.
 
Our hearts and prayers are with you in this time of sadness.:( May fond memories of him bring a smile to your face and a warmth in your heart.
 
I know that Old Man is headed across the rainbow bridge just waiting for his lady friend to someday join him. It's a sad but beautiful story you tell and my heart goes out to you.
 
First let me say i agree with Laurie. I don't believe it when people say animals have no feelings and it hurts me when some people like here in Bulgaria(on vacation) just kick the dogs around because they are everywhere like our raccoons and what not.

I am so sorry for your loss and wish you the best with your female and her eggs. I hope you get some offspring out of Old Man and i know he is climbing on his vine up there and watching over his beloved wife and beloved owner. The story was very touching. Thank you for having the time and emotion to share it with us.
 
First let me say i agree with Laurie. I don't believe it when people say animals have no feelings and it hurts me when some people like here in Bulgaria(on vacation) just kick the dogs around because they are everywhere like our raccoons and what not.

I am so sorry for your loss and wish you the best with your female and her eggs. I hope you get some offspring out of Old Man and i know he is climbing on his vine up there and watching over his beloved wife and beloved owner. The story was very touching. Thank you for having the time and emotion to share it with us.

Of course animals have feelings! They are just different or harder to translate into human terms! They are not humans but so many people don't consider this and expect animals to act like they do.

I had a male deremensis and a male fischeri who seemed to have a friendship. Both were wc, one a rescue from a bad pet shop. The deremensis had a very large (5'x5'x3') cage just crammed with plants. When I needed a cooler higher humidity setup for the rescue fischeri I divided this cage in half. He was an escape artist and squirmed his way from one side to the other most days. Worried about stress I kept separating them. As I realized they weren't bothering each other I took the barrier out. Peace continued. Then I noticed the two chams often roosted close together at night. Oh, they are just wanting the same microclimate I kept telling myself. Well, after finding them on the same perches more and more often I began to wonder. I kept denying that they might actually like the company (because my rational side kept insisting it wasn't possible), but they did seem to seek each other out. Finally just let them alone. Both these guys went to a new keeper a year later. Even in the completely new situation they were still to be found sharing favorite perches much of the time. The keeper even sent me an amazing photo (not digital sorry!) of them sitting side by side with one hind foot touching. Colors totally relaxed.
 
Thanks everyone for your kind words, and thanks for sharing that story with us Allison... that is pretty amazing! These guys, and all animals in general, never stop surprising me
 
bitter-sweet. I work in the sciences but remain a firm believer that animals have feelings. Emotions are a very base response so I see no reason that they are not capable.
 
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