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[Mellow]

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Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Panther, Nosy Faly, Male, 8 Months, Had him for 5 months

Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Once per day to put on free range.

Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Feeding:I offer Silk worms,Horn Worms, Super Worms, Butter Worms, Crickets and Wax Worms. But he only eats one feeder a day or none.
Gut loading feeders with butternut squash, papaya, apple, romaine lettuce.[/COLOR

Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule
Brand is Exo terra, calcium. Exo Terra multi vitimen once per month. Exo Terra Calcium with D3 once per week

Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?

Use the Mist King, water 7 times per day, Duration of each watering is 1 minute. I use bottled spring water for this. Occasionally put Exo Terra Electrolyte and D3 in the water and spray it with a bottle sprayer. Yes, I have observed him drinking.

Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?

Yes, he has been tested for Parasites and the result was negative. One of todays droppings was white,brown and a little bit of orange. Usually there is no orange color.

History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

We got him from Chameleon Nation when he was a baby. He was healthy at that time. He never was a big eater.

Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?

Screened Cage size 16x16x30

Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?

Lighting is on for 7 1/2 hours per day. Use a 6 inch spot heat lamp 60 watt bulb. Also have a 16 inch UVB light Reptisun 5.0.

Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?

Basking spot is 80 to 85 F. Lowest overnight temp 25 C. Do not know what the floor in cage temp is. Measure temp with digital temp probe mounted at basking spot vine which he sits on.

Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?

Humidity level is 60 per cent during the day. At night it is 45 per cent. Have been using a vics vapor rub humidifier steam humidifyer. Note no vics vapor rub is used with the machine.humidifier is turned off at night. door to room is akways closed.

Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Yes, Live plants. Two Ficus Bengimina, A fake plant and two vines.

Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
In a bedroom with other chameleons. Not near any fans or Air vents or High traffic area. Top of cage is 4 foot 6 inch above the room floor.

Location - Where are you geographically located?
Ontario Canada.


Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.

The problem is that he is not eating anything, and on a day that he does eat he only eats 1 feeder.

 

[Elizadolots]

Can I ask a few more?

Can he easily see the other chameleons?

How long have there been multiple chameleons in the same room?

How long is he on the free range every day? Do the other chameleons use the same free range? What is the lighting/temperature situation for the free range?

Your cage size is a bit smaller than is usually recommended.

While I would normally say the temperatures are okay, since you're concerned about eating, you might try raising them a bit in the basking area. It's possible 87, 88 might stimulate him to eat (I think they can easily handle 90 as long as they have a place to go to escape when they get too warm).

 

[Zen Reptiles]

90?

I give mine the option of 95-98 if they want it.

Either way, 85 is WAAYYY too low for basking for a panther.

Your problem is that you use bottled Spring Water. Why people think Spring Water is 'clean' when even the uninhabited Arctic is contaminated is completely beyond me.....There is no such thing as clean water these days unless you purify it yourself. Use DISTILLED or REVERSE OSMOSIS water.

Read the LABEL, what is the TDS or PPM? If it's above 50, that's not good for your chameleon. In the wild, chameleons drink rain water which has below 10 parts per million. Usually it has 2 or 3 ppm.....They do not dig 80-400 feet into the ground to get spring or well water. They do not drink from rivers or lakes like tap water. They do not drink bottled glacier water from the Yukon... They drink nature's distilled water, which is RAIN water. There are only two ways to get water clean, and that is Distilling it yourself, or Reverse Osmosis filtration,

If you insist on using bottled water, use Aquafina or Dasani. Those are the only two I have tested that are decent (Aquafina being the winner by far). Or buy your own Reverse Osmosis machine (but be wary, some are crap.)


I went to a reptile expo last summer and I brought 20 baby panthers with me....they all had the beginnings of edema and salt excretions, their cage was stained (still has the stains) with minerals etc, only after 2 days of using the water at the Expo (which was very hard water). All symptoms were gone once I got back home to my Reverse Osmosis.

You mentioned all the variety of feeders you are giving, but in what ratios? Do you give crickets 4 days, worms of some sort for 3 days?

 

[Elizadolots]

Isn't "spring water" relatively free of salts and metals though?

Note that I agree with you and use reverse osmosis water for my chameleons. I don't think they should be drinking "land" water because they live in trees.

But, if my choice was between the fluoridated water coming from my tap and "spring" water, I'd take the spring water.

 

[Mellow]

Can I ask a few more?

Can he easily see the other chameleons?

How long have there been multiple chameleons in the same room?

How long is he on the free range every day? Do the other chameleons use the same free range? What is the lighting/temperature situation for the free range?

Your cage size is a bit smaller than is usually recommended.

While I would normally say the temperatures are okay, since you're concerned about eating, you might try raising them a bit in the basking area. It's possible 87, 88 might stimulate him to eat (I think they can easily handle 90 as long as they have a place to go to escape when they get too warm).

No he can't easily see other chams
He has bin in the room with other chams for over a month
He goes on the FR for about 45 mins
Yes other chams use it too
I don't know what the temp is on the FR

 

[Elizadolots]

Well, if he's only on the Free Range for 45 minutes, I don't think the temperature there is much of an issue.

I don't know if sharing a free range is a problem or not. I can imagine it might be, but "my imagination" + chameleons often equals "ooops". So, hopefully someone with experience in free ranging multiple chameleons will chime in.

I do think the temperature at the basking spot is a bit low and I do think the cage is too small. Both of those are things you'll want to address.

The temperature could be affecting his appetite (basking in the warmth helps with digestion). I would address that first.

 

[Mellow]

Ok thank you

 

[Elizadolots]

Keep us informed and keep asking if you don't seem to get responses. This board can move very quickly at times and a post you make on Monday might be on page 2 by Tuesday....so, sometimes, you just have to keep your thread active.

 

[gratefulj]

First, did you say you have the lights on 7 and 1/2 hours a day? ... Should be 10-12... I also would up your basking spot even maybe 5 degrees.. 90 is a safe bet. Am I missing something on the lights being on 7 and 1/2 hours a day though?? I've never heard of this fill me in please..

 

[gratefulj]

Also, a bigger enclosure could encourage him

 

[Elizadolots]

They don't need UVB 12 hours. How much "heat" they need varies with the location, species and gender, so while 7 1/2 hours is not the board standard, it certainly falls into the range of acceptable.

 

[gratefulj]

Well considering the location (Ontario, Canada) I figured she needed more light time.. I'm just a newbie though..

 

[Mellow]

First, did you say you have the lights on 7 and 1/2 hours a day? ... Should be 10-12... I also would up your basking spot even maybe 5 degrees.. 90 is a safe bet. Am I missing something on the lights being on 7 and 1/2 hours a day though?? I've never heard of this fill me in please..

(I have the heat light and UVB lights on from 7:00 to 7:30)
Lol i dont know why I said 7 and a half sorry lol

 

[gratefulj]

lol gotcha ...