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[kinyonga]

Ok...that's an antibiotic that kills a lot of different bacteria a chameleon would have...but I don't know why the vet is giving her an antibiotic.
I can't read the label on the vitamins...I'm half blind!

 

[Lucy(Cham)]

The multivitamins is called nutri cal

 

[Lucy(Cham)]

Can you post a photo of her showing her other side please.
You should set up a lay bin and dig a hole in it for her. The bin can be an opaque container about 10" by 6" by 8" deep filled with washed playsand. The best sand I've found is produced by kings and comes in a white bag with red, blue yellow sandbox toys on it. You can get it at Home Depot.

What meds and vitamins did the vet prescribe. I need you to be very specific. Vitamins I want to know about in particular are D3 and the form of vitamin A. No calcium was suggested/given????

I can’t find the sand by any chance do you have a picture

 

[kinyonga]

Isn't that for dogs and cats. The ratio of D3 to vitamin A and calcium and phos may not be right. I can't help you if I can't see the numbers.

 

[kinyonga]

Sand...
https://www.homedepot.ca/product/king-play-sand-20-kg/1000109167

 

[AnamCara]

New vet-- and if it is nutri cal like you can get in a pet store I would not use it. Your chameleon had MBD and that the vet didnt eat that is very concerning.

 

[MissSkittles]

@kinyonga
2 cc B12. 1/4 gentocin. 1/2 dex

 

[Lucy(Cham)]

Isn't that for dogs and cats. The ratio of D3 to vitamin A and calcium and phos may not be right. I can't help you if I can't see the numbers.

What is the best multivitamin for my chameleon?

 

[kinyonga]

Thanks MissSkittles but it's the vitamins that I was referring to...
Lucy(Cham)... What is the amount/ratio of calcium to phos and D3 and vitamin A in the vitamin powder? What is the source of the vitamin A beta carotene/prOformed or prEformed/retinol?

 

[MissSkittles]

Sorry. Did you mean the nutri cal? I found this.
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS PER TEASPOON (6 GRAMS):
(All values are minimums unless otherwise stated)

Crude Protein	(0.2%)	12 mg
Crude Fat	(30.0%)	1800 mg
Moisture (Max.)	(14.6%)	876 mg
Ash (Max.)	(0.7%)	42 mg
Calcium	(0.018%)	1 mg
Phosphorus	(0.01%)	0.6 mg
Potassium	(0.055%)	3.3 mg
Sodium	(0.12%)	7.2 mg
Chloride	(0.027%)	1.5 mg
Magnesium	(0.006%)	0.38 mg
Iron	(0.009%)	0.5 mg
Manganese	(0.015%)	0.9 mg
Iodine	(0.009%)	0.5 mg
Vitamin A	734 IU
Vitamin D	55 IU
Vitamin E	5 IU
Thiamine (Vitamin B1)	1.5 mg
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)	0.01 mg
D-Pantothenic Acid	1.74 mg
Niacin	1.9 mg
Pyridoxine	0.73 mg
Folic Acid	0.19 mg
Vitamin B12	1.8 mcg
Omega 3 Fatty Acids (*)	43 mg
Omega 6 Fatty Acids (*)	211 mg
Omega 9 Fatty Acids (*)	108 mg

 

[kinyonga]

Yes @MissSkittles I was referring to the nitro cal. Thanks for the info.

I think the vitamin A is a little high in this supplement....but whether it's a problem or not depends on the source of the vitamin A...is it prOformed or prEformed. I can't find the article right now but I remember it saying that the D3 should be 10 units for every 100 units of prEformed vitamin A...so don't quote me on it until I find the article. An imbalance in the D3 and the vitamin A can push the chameleon towards MBD. Of course calcium and phos have to also be in balance with each other and with the vitamins. Wish I could give exact numbers but I can't.

 

[kinyonga]

I think the vitamin A in nutri cal is palmitate...so it's prEformed and I think does make the balance off....if there's no other D3 or prEformed vitamin A from any other sources involved.

 

[kinyonga]

To correct MBD the levels have to be brought back into balance and then the supplements have to be given on a proper schedule to keep things in balance. Proper UVB, proper gut loading, appropriate temperatures also play a part in it.

This should explain it...
https://www.chameleonforums.com/thr...-like-how-it-happens-and-how-to-fix-it.95071/

 

[kinyonga]

Here's the article that explains the ratio of A to D to E...
https://books.google.ca/books?id=75...v=onepage&q=chameleons 100/10/1 A/D/E&f=false

 

[JacksJill]

She has Metabolic Bone Disease MBD
Sorry late to be chiming in with that.