Still having a few issues with Penelope :/

[camimom]

she might be too cold they need a basking light of 90 -100 degrees..that helps digest food..and feed her in the morning not at night that will give her time to digest...bottom of the cage should be around 80-70. and no lower then 60 degrees at night..where is her cage their should be no cool air blowing or any breez....lighting should be 12 hour on and 12 hour off with a timer hooked up to the lights

no they dont.
First off, most dont like it that hot.
second off, females need lower basking temps to stave off egg production, a basking temp of 84 is just fine.
the bottom of the cage should be closer to 70, NOT 80.


as for bug juice- get your bugs and supplements, put in a blender.... and well turn it on. may need to add a bit of water to get it nice and liquidy. i would strain it some if there are any big bug parts in it.

 

[PenelopeLove]

no they dont.
First off, most dont like it that hot.
second off, females need lower basking temps to stave off egg production, a basking temp of 84 is just fine.
the bottom of the cage should be closer to 70, NOT 80.


as for bug juice- get your bugs and supplements, put in a blender.... and well turn it on. may need to add a bit of water to get it nice and liquidy. i would strain it some if there are any big bug parts in it.

Thanks for the bug juice recipe hehe! I'll definitely give it a go! How should I try to feed it to her though? Should I put it in a syringe (without needle) and put it in her mouth or should she want to drink it???

Pretty certain heat isn't my problem... I think she's just really feeling ill! After she has her oral meds and shots, she gets to go in her favourite tree. She loves it there and I'm hoping this calms her a little.. she's not to bad after the oral stuff, but within a minute of the shots she goes black... I hate seeing her so sad!

 

[camimom]

yes a syringe like an eye dropper, a drip at a time, too much and she can aspirate it.

 

[PenelopeLove]

yes a syringe like an eye dropper, a drip at a time, too much and she can aspirate it.

cool.. I can definitely do that I'll give it a go and see what happens...

Is there anything I could do to relax her after she has the injections? I know she really hates them, especially the saline cause there's so much and she has to have that twice a day.

 

[camimom]

cool.. I can definitely do that I'll give it a go and see what happens...

Is there anything I could do to relax her after she has the injections? I know she really hates them, especially the saline cause there's so much and she has to have that twice a day.

try a a yummy bug.
If you can get hornworms.. try that.. otherswise.. not really.

 

[PenelopeLove]

yes a syringe like an eye dropper, a drip at a time, too much and she can aspirate it.

Oh shame! I found out that it is illegal to import live insects here to the UAE, so we only have crickets and mealworms... poor love will never know the wonders of such lollies! haha

 

[camimom]

Oh shame! I found out that it is illegal to import live insects here to the UAE, so we only have crickets and mealworms... poor love will never know the wonders of such lollies! haha

oh youre in the UK> yea no horns for you.

how bout silkworms?

 

[PenelopeLove]

oh youre in the UK> yea no horns for you.

how bout silkworms?

No I'm in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. I've called/emailed everyone I can and they all say the same thing.. only crickets and worms

 

[camimom]

No I'm in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. I've called/emailed everyone I can and they all say the same thing.. only crickets and worms

agh ok.

what wild bugs do you have there?

 

[PenelopeLove]

agh ok.

what wild bugs do you have there?

oh goodness, I don't really know! but I'm not sure I'd want to feed her any from close to the city areas!

I might go on a little bug adventure in the mountains one day and catch some bugs that look easy to digest when she's healthier and can stomach it.

Fingers crossed is all I can say.. but on the plus side, the anti-biotics are already working their magic no boogies in her nose today and almost half the amount of mucus on the sides of her mouth!

I love her so much already

 

[camimom]

when you go bug hunting, take pics of them and post them, so we can tell you if they are safe or not.


they are addicting creatures..
which is why i have 5.. and 38 eggs.

 

[AngieL]

You're doing great! do you have locust in the wild there? Or grasshoppers? They're a real treat!

 

[PenelopeLove]

when you go bug hunting, take pics of them and post them, so we can tell you if they are safe or not.


they are addicting creatures..
which is why i have 5.. and 38 eggs.

I most definitely will do that! I love the mountains and this time of year it's stunning to be out there!

I'm glad you said you're addicted.. while trying to source feeders, I spoke to a breeder who has panthers coming soon... oh me oh my! I'm already trying to decide whether or not I should make an addition to my little family

 

[camimom]

I most definitely will do that! I love the mountains and this time of year it's stunning to be out there!

I'm glad you said you're addicted.. while trying to source feeders, I spoke to a breeder who has panthers coming soon... oh me oh my! I'm already trying to decide whether or not I should make an addition to my little family

Wait until you get penelope better, but then, go for it

I have two panthers, an Ambilobe and a nosey Be (i think).

 

[PenelopeLove]

Yeah she's my main priority until she's big and bright like she should be

Is there much difference in the way you take care of a veiled Cham and a panther?

 

[camimom]

Yeah she's my main priority until she's big and bright like she should be

Is there much difference in the way you take care of a veiled Cham and a panther?

nope. care is pretty much the same, though panthers tend to like higher temps, and a bit more humidity.
and except for my panther, dont eat veggies. ( i have an oddball ambi)

 

[PenelopeLove]

Hehe what a cutie! I think that's what makes me love Penelope.. She's a little odd and she's just so cute!!

 

[NolaGirl]

Your cham should be on the road to recovery now that you've gone to the vet and have her supplements, UVB, hydrometer and thermometer coming in the mail soon. Remember to gutload those crickets! I posted a link to an easy to understand guide to gutloading on the last thread that you posted about your cham. What your crickets eat is what your cham eats. I can tell by the wording of your posts that you are determined to nurse your cham back to health. You have a good heart. I also know how saddening it is to walk into a pet shop and see that the animals aren't properly cared for. I've angered quite a few pet shop owners by telling them that they're not properly caring for their animals(I am always respectful and friendly when doing so, though). It also infuriates me when the shop owner doesn't give the new pet owner the proper guidelines to care for the animal. Sadly, many pet shop owners are only out to make money and aren't concerned with being good stewards of these poor creatures that depend solely on humans for their every need.

 

[PenelopeLove]

Your cham should be on the road to recovery now that you've gone to the vet and have her supplements, UVB, hydrometer and thermometer coming in the mail soon. Remember to gutload those crickets! I posted a link to an easy to understand guide to gutloading on the last thread that you posted about your cham. What your crickets eat is what your cham eats. I can tell by the wording of your posts that you are determined to nurse your cham back to health. You have a good heart. I also know how saddening it is to walk into a pet shop and see that the animals aren't properly cared for. I've angered quite a few pet shop owners by telling them that they're not properly caring for their animals(I am always respectful and friendly when doing so, though). It also infuriates me when the shop owner doesn't give the new pet owner the proper guidelines to care for the animal. Sadly, many pet shop owners are only out to make money and aren't concerned with being good stewards of these poor creatures that depend solely on humans for their every need.

Oh my gosh I know exactly how you feel about pet shops and their lack of care! Fortunately, I get along really well with the staff at this particular pet shop and it is one of the best in Dubai as far as their care/hygiene and ensuring animals don't just go home with anyone.. there is A LOT of animal cruelty here, but through educating the community, things are slowly beginning to improve. In this case, I just don't think they've had any idea how to look after their chams as far as feeding, lighting and supplementing! Every other animal is really well looked after.
I'll be going in to have a chat with them and hopefully they'll be able to use all the advise I've learned from everyone here and everything I've been reading

I did read the gutloading link you sent me.. thank you so much she's still moody and lethargic from her meds, but the infection is almost cleared up, so I'm hoping once she's done fighting that her appetite will improve.

 

[NolaGirl]

Oh my gosh I know exactly how you feel about pet shops and their lack of care! Fortunately, I get along really well with the staff at this particular pet shop and it is one of the best in Dubai as far as their care/hygiene and ensuring animals don't just go home with anyone.. there is A LOT of animal cruelty here, but through educating the community, things are slowly beginning to improve. In this case, I just don't think they've had any idea how to look after their chams as far as feeding, lighting and supplementing! Every other animal is really well looked after.
I'll be going in to have a chat with them and hopefully they'll be able to use all the advise I've learned from everyone here and everything I've been reading

I did read the gutloading link you sent me.. thank you so much she's still moody and lethargic from her meds, but the infection is almost cleared up, so I'm hoping once she's done fighting that her appetite will improve.

I know that she'll be just fine. It's awesome that you're going to spread your knowledge about chameleon care. Hopefully, they will utilize the knowledge. I've just had experiences with shop owners not wanting to take advice,telling me that they know what they're doing. They are stubborn and tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. For example, last week I went to a local pet shop to purchase crickets. I noticed that there was an adult Veiled Cham in a 10 gallon fish tank. It was perched on a tiny branch. There wasn't a dripper in the tank, only a large bowl of water. I also noticed that the cham's eyes were sunken in and were closed most of the time(during the day). The crickets that were running around loose weren't dusted. There wasn't a UVB light in there, either. I was very polite when speaking to the worker about the cham being in the wrong conditions. I told him the problems that I noticed. He got angry with me and told me, "I've been running this store for years. How are you going to tell me how to care for these animals?" It's sad, because someone will probably buy that chameleon without doing any research on how to care for it. They'll just trust that the shop owner's guidelines for care is correct.